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All Forum Posts by: Jason Maguire

Jason Maguire has started 6 posts and replied 120 times.

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Jason Maguire:
Quote from @Matt Devincenzo:

The tenant isn't your problem here, the utility provider is if you expect notice. The tenant did what any reasonable person would and provided access when requested, so if you have an issue with that then reach out to the provider and address it with them. 

That said they don't need to provide any notice most likely as they have a easement right to access and service their equipment any time they need to. Often they do provide advance notice, but they often do not. My personal residence had the meter's swapped a few month's back and the provider also just showed up on a Sat morning got to work. In my case since the meter was close to the driveway he'd have done it with no notice or request for access. They did a hot swap so none of the pilot's even go out and they can simply do the work and leave a door hanger when they're done.  

Hi @Matt Devincenzo thanks for your insight! Yeah i want to look a little bit more into the "right of easement", it definitely makes sense- i was just under the impression that National Grid (utilities company) is not a government entity or anything like that so i didn't think they had those rights to access the property like that.

That being said, I need to further talk to the utility company & tenant to further assess everything. Appreciate your input & thoughts.


if utility company's did not have easement and maintenance rights  and had to call for permission every time our utl services would come to a screeching halt.. think about it.. in the case of severe storm do you think they are taking the time to contact every property owner to get permission to fixed downed lines or gas lines that are leaking and could blow up the neighborhood ???  to me your being to overly sensitive on this matter.

 @Jay Hinrichs thank you Jay, and after the general consensus i would agree with you! This was the first time this happened to me in owning a few props over a few years now so just caught me off guard & i wanted to see what the broader audience thought.

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Jason Maguire:

Either way i agree the outcome probably wouldn't of been much different. Just don't like people free roaming my property without my consent or not being physically present.


As has been said, most utilities have the right to enter a property as they see fit. Someone smells gas, an overhead power line is loose, sewer or water is flooding from a burst pipe. They're going to enter your property, sometimes without even notifying you, and turn off everything. It's not really any of your business in these types of cases.

 @Bruce Woodruff completely understand that now- that was just a sidebar frustration comment haha. National Grid ended up getting back to me & said they are going to reimburse me for getting the tank back up & running, so i guess that's a win!

@Marcos Carbi the best advice is to honestly just be respectful & be yourself when you introduce yourself. 

If the tenants are that far below market rent they probably most likely know that & won't be too surprised. When i first took over my duplex, i texted the tenants and asked when they were available to meet in person to discuss future leases. The first response i received in person was "Are you going to kick us out" I simply stated No, but that the markets were well below market rent & that we needed to work to get them up to a more reasonable price. I was very respectful, transparent & also honest & they were completely fine with the rent change. We went from $720 to $850 just like that! 

Agree with the others. It will show your tenants that you are serious about taking care of maintenance & repairs- Also, just follow the rule in your state for how much notice you need to give (mostly 24-48 hours).. as long as you're in that range & let them know you should be more than OK. Good luck getting that roof replaced!

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93

@Craig Janet thank you for your thought as well Craig! Yeah, i am also trying to look a little bit more into the Right of Easement. Looking at first glance on their site, they are supposed to give notice so i need to understand if they reached out to my tenants or not beforehand.

Either way i agree the outcome probably wouldn't of been much different. Just don't like people free roaming my property without my consent or not being physically present.

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93

@Nathan Gesner Thanks for your take! Yeah I wasn't made aware of them stopping by to swap out meters- left a voicemail last night & waiting to for them to call me back.

Definitely agree that there is not much the tenant can do to help me in this case, and upon further thought it'd be very hard to punish someone for something if they weren't in town or accidently forgot to let me know. Can see that getting tricky for sure- will just have to chalk this up as kind of a one off situation. Thanks again!

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

A Utility Company is way different than a Contractor. They have special rights, generally. But I would think they would have notified you as the owner....

 @Bruce Woodruff 100%, and I'm trying to get in contact with National Grid right now to see if they did give me notice. I know i definitely didn't receive anything, but the utilities are also not in my name.

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Sandy Gabin:

I highly agree with Matt Devincenzo on this one. Remember, the tenant should be responsible for paying the rent and maintaining the unit or home for you. If I were you, please reach out to the Service Provider and ask them if they ever sent you a letter or called you to let you know that this was going to be done to your home, if you haven't done so. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't add in to a contract or lease to my future tenants because I wouldn't want them to feel like they are obligated to let me know who was at my property. What if my tenant works during the day and any job done to the property would be done and no one was home to tell me? Or I have the tenant working nights, and the tenant sleeps during the day? Those are just some questions to keep in mind. Hope this helps.

Thanks for your thoughts @Sandy Gabin ! I definitely think you make some solid points. I guess on the other negative side of adding something like that is,  what would the punishment be if they failed to notify me? I think that could be difficult to quantify/ qualify & could turn future tenants off if they think they are going to be fined X amount of dollars if they are out of town & not able to notify me of any "utility" work being done. Thanks again for your input!

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Matt Devincenzo:

The tenant isn't your problem here, the utility provider is if you expect notice. The tenant did what any reasonable person would and provided access when requested, so if you have an issue with that then reach out to the provider and address it with them. 

That said they don't need to provide any notice most likely as they have a easement right to access and service their equipment any time they need to. Often they do provide advance notice, but they often do not. My personal residence had the meter's swapped a few month's back and the provider also just showed up on a Sat morning got to work. In my case since the meter was close to the driveway he'd have done it with no notice or request for access. They did a hot swap so none of the pilot's even go out and they can simply do the work and leave a door hanger when they're done.  

Hi @Matt Devincenzo thanks for your insight! Yeah i want to look a little bit more into the "right of easement", it definitely makes sense- i was just under the impression that National Grid (utilities company) is not a government entity or anything like that so i didn't think they had those rights to access the property like that.

That being said, I need to further talk to the utility company & tenant to further assess everything. Appreciate your input & thoughts.

Post: Tenant Let Contractors onto Property Unannounced

Jason MaguirePosted
  • Investor
  • Troy, NY
  • Posts 120
  • Votes 93
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jason Maguire

We have always been notified in advance from public utility companies when they will be on the property - this seems very strange you never received a call or message as the property owner even though utilities may be in tenants name

yup, exactly- I never received any call from the utilities company prior, utilities are in their name though. Currently following up with the utilities company & tenant to get a little more info..