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All Forum Posts by: Jason M.

Jason M. has started 2 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Opening a real estate investment partnership

Jason M.
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Thank you Don, this all makes sense. Our our original earmark when we started was to borrow 1 million. Neither of us realized it would get this big and be this successful. Without much negotiating our plan was to keep our compensation close. Turns out that hasn’t happened and it’s much more time consuming to keep 3.7 million in small assets working properly than 1 million. I’m obviously not super experience with the business aspect of this so i didn’t have any contingency plans in place for such growth and capital injections. I’ve definitely done well on the equity side as did he. I would hate to see an increase in my salary hurt our cash flow and purchasing power going forward. I actually spoke to him about lowering the interest rate in lieu of a salary increase so that our money would stay in the business and work more tax efficiently. That didn’t go over so well. Can you explain to me why you believe he is carrying so much risk. With 3.7 invested our properties are worth approximately 4.8 million market value after purchase equity and renovations. We are at 100% occupancy with 82 units across many classes of homes and apartments. He has a 1st position Leon on the the property and a personal guarantee from me for half the loan (net worth is more than that). Barring an unseen disaster where’s the risk at this point? You are very experienced and knowledgeable and i really appreciate your opinion. Thank you

Post: Opening a real estate investment partnership

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
  • Posts 8
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Eric m. 

If I’m the intellectual property and sweat partner and he is the money isn’t he supposed to inject the money into the business. I don’t have a problem with him being due all his money back however I’m not sure if he should be charging an interest rate. I’ve never heard of anyone buying equity into a viable business and also getting an interest and principle payment monthly. Have you?

Post: Opening a real estate investment partnership

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
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Thank you for your responses. I actually have over a million in equity in my personal properties that i could have tapped into. Originally when my partner and i starting the process our plans were to keep compensations equal between my salary and his interest income. We were originally going to cap it at a million. I was buying so well and had really good systems in place so he kept lending us more and more. Now the compensation is way out of whack. 72 k in salary vs 160k+ in interest income. Our equity is equal. Obviously i should be receiving a much higher salary but that will weigh heavily on the business. My thoughts were if we kept my salary down but reduces the interest rate it could not only bring us closer together but it would be more tax efficient for him because he’s in the highest tax bracket. Plus that would keep more of the cash flow in the business to grow the portfolio and the cash flow. We are doing great. We actually just reached 100% occupancy (82-82) which was a goal i never thought we could achieve in this type of residential real estate. I work from morning until night 7 days a week in this business and i feel I’m being slighted a little. 

Post: Money vs sweat equity/intellectual property

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
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I have been successfully investing in rental properties for approximately 20 years. I personally own 11 doubles, 2 condominiums, and have completed 4 flips with moderate success. 2.5 years ago I retired from my job after 22 years to pursue real estate investing full time. About the same time a great friend sold a business for millions of dollars. After doing a ton of research and analyzation I decided I was going to start investing in lower-middle income housing in a city of about 200,000 people. Its location is about 1 hour from my home, but housing prices are much more affordable and rents are comparable to my area. I decided to pitch the idea to my friend to see if he was interested in investing. Figured it would be a good match as he needed somewhere to park his money and it could save me the agony of dealing with lenders. Ultimately we decided to open a business together. Being somewhat naive to a larger scale of business his accountant and lawyers helped me with the footprint and the contracts. It was set up in a way where we both invested 100k personally then we borrowed the rest from him. He had no responsibility within the business accept to provide the capital at an interest rate of 4.25%. I was responsible for 100% of the responsibilities of running the business. This included the opening of multiple corporations (holding company, management company, sub LLC's that hold the properties). Within 2 years we controlled 82 units broken up between singles, doubles, threes, fours, a five, and a nine unit. I take a salary of approximately 70k per year. I work between 40-60 hours a week doing everything between finding, analyzing, and buying properties, personally doing renovations and make-ready's, overseeing contractors, leasing units, and working hand in hand with an excellent management company that takes care of collecting the rents, dealing with tenant relations, and day to day maintenance. The company has borrowed 3.7 million from my partner and is paying him approximately $19,000 per month in principle and and interest payments. As the company has grown and we are deciding on its future I have started to question whether of not this is equitable for me? It turns out that as the silent (money) partner he really has not injected anymore cash into the company than I have. He has merely loaned the company money at a fair interest rate. Not only does he have a first position lien on all the properties, but he also has a personal guarantee from me for half the money. Basically this is a risk free investment for him. With this money that he he has loaned the company he has also purchased half the equity of the entire company. It's often difficult for me to wrap my head around, but basically he hasn't invested any more money than I have because it's structured as a loan (with all of the investment due back to him), however he also gets half the equity. The terms of the loan are excellent and it allows us to purchase properties with cash and no contingencies. That provides us with great purchasing power and up-front equity. Is the structure of this company equitable for me or would I have been better off pulling equity out of my properties and going it alone? I don't want to seem unappreciative but ultimately for me to move forward I need to feel comfortable with our respective compensations for our part in the business. I appreciate any and all input on this dilemma.

Post: Opening a real estate investment partnership

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
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I have been successfully investing in rental properties for approximately 20 years. I personally own 11 doubles, 2 condominiums, and have completed 4 flips with moderate success. 2.5 years ago I retired from my job after 22 years to pursue real estate investing full time. About the same time a great friend sold a business for millions of dollars. After doing a ton of research and analyzation I decided I was going to start investing in lower-middle income housing in a city of about 200,000 people. Its location is about 1 hour from my home, but housing prices are much more affordable and rents are comparable to my area. I decided to pitch the idea to my friend to see if he was interested in investing. Figured it would be a good match as he needed somewhere to park his money and it could save me the agony of dealing with lenders. Ultimately we decided to open a business together. Being somewhat naive to a larger scale of business his accountant and lawyers helped me with the footprint and the contracts. It was set up in a way where we both invested 100k personally then we borrowed the rest from him. He had no responsibility within the business accept to provide the capital at an interest rate of 4.25%. I was responsible for 100% of the responsibilities of running the business. This included the opening of multiple corporations (holding company, management company, sub LLC's that hold the properties). Within 2 years we controlled 82 units broken up between singles, doubles, threes, fours, a five, and a nine unit. I take a salary of approximately 70k per year. I work between 40-60 hours a week doing everything between finding, analyzing, and buying properties, personally doing renovations and make-ready's, overseeing contractors, leasing units, and working hand in hand with an excellent management company that takes care of collecting the rents, dealing with tenant relations, and day to day maintenance. The company has borrowed 3.7 million from my partner and is paying him approximately $19,000 per month in principle and and interest payments. As the company has grown and we are deciding on its future I have started to question whether of not this is equitable for me? It turns out that as the silent (money) partner he really has not injected anymore cash into the company than I have. He has merely loaned the company money at a fair interest rate. Not only does he have a first position lien on all the properties, but he also has a personal guarantee from me for half the money. Basically this is a risk free investment for him. With this money that he he has loaned the company he has also purchased half the equity of the entire company. It's often difficult for me to wrap my head around, but basically he hasn't invested any more money than I have because it's structured as a loan (with all of the investment due back to him), however he also gets half the equity. The terms of the loan are excellent and it allows us to purchase properties with cash and no contingencies. That provides us with great purchasing power and up-front equity. Is the structure of this company equitable for me or would I have been better off pulling equity out of my properties and going it alone? I don't want to seem unappreciative but ultimately for me to move forward I need to feel comfortable with our respective compensations for our part in the business. I appreciate any and all input on this dilemma.

Post: Is Rochester NY appreciating?

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 1

 Well, in the past three weeks I’ve purchased a four family on Ridgeway, 2 Family on canary, 2 Family on driving Park,a two family on Fulton, in the single in the 19th ward. Do any of those ring a bell?

Post: Is Rochester NY appreciating?

Jason M.
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Quite a few actually. What is the seller trying to pull? 

Post: Is Rochester NY appreciating?

Jason M.
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  • Northeast U.S.
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I have been aggressively buying cash flow properties in Rochester over the past 2.5 months. I am definitely finding it more difficult to find good deals as time goes on.