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All Forum Posts by: Jason Holtzinger

Jason Holtzinger has started 5 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Darius Ogloza:

@Jason Holtzinger

A couple thoughts from a "neighbor" to your immediate south who has invested both locally and out of area:

1. "Landlord friendly state" is a misnomer.  State laws set unlawful detainer laws but policy is dictated at the very local level.  In handling an eviction, I would trust a judge in Sonoma County way more than some Democratic machine appointed hack in, say, Cleveland to get a fair result.  

2. $200/month seems like a very low bar.  Your capital expenditures over 5-10 years will almost certainly wipe out all of your income, especially in environments that experience harsh winters.  You will spend more on gasoline in a month at current prices.  I wonder whether you have thought through your goals.  Sonoma and northern Marin are expensive but the long-term benefits that flow could fund - a typical Terra Linda fixer should yield $60,000-$70,000 in gross rents - a retirement if you play your cards right and show some patience.


 Some serious food for thought. Thank you

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Bob Stevens:

Cleveland has been the #1 rental market for about 10 years. 100s of investors from Ca invest there. 10% + NET ( based on cash purchases )  cap rates are to be had, 100% hands off. Its all about your team and knowledge .

BTW you cannot do flips. You do not have crews, or the knowledge. Lets face it you are not going to swing a hammer. Many think they can just go out of state and higher some GC to run there 200-. 300 500k flip, bad idea. 

All the best 


 Although I do agree with you that I am not going to do flips out of state, pretty much for the reason that you said, that I am not going to manage a high dollar flip out of state. However, I fully have the knowledge, I have about 300 employees worth of crew and I swung a hammer for quite a while. Im sure thats not how you meant it but I had to chime in LOL.

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

Location crime rate, average salary, unemployment rate, and are you willing to fly there twice a year? I discourage buying lower priced real estate and managing from far away with PM. I would never enter a syndication or those fintech shared real estate dreams.

I started with contractor license and kept my day job as lender (60 hour week) and found opportunities along the way. A house in Hayward that's a wreck with acre lot and rehab and add a unit, hold long term? Morgan Hill might be too far for you but is driving distance to Santa Clara/San Jose. Look for something under $650000 in a neighborhood where the elementary school is blue ribbon. Where are the big paying jobs near Santa Rosa-~~ San Francisco and San Jose. I love Kenwood maybe you can find a duplex where you set up wifi for remote workers?

I was born in Cincinnati and have a daughter Dr at Cleveland Med Center I would not invest in Ohio as your starting point. The Rust Belt will suffer with inflation, jobs are not increasing. 

Keep saving money. If you are married get the partner working on the plan. 


 wow, lots to digest here. Thank you for the advice! Love how all the advice on here is so back and forth that its making me really think about whats being said to me. Thanks again.

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Paul E Romero:.  And another tip I have for you, NEVER sell your home in the Bay Area!  Equity builds up fast here and you can use that to buy homes out of state!!!  <----

>>
Exactly, this the key here. Like I keep saying this, If you want to build wealth buy in CA for appreciation. If you want to pay some bills, buy cash-flows market.

You could make a such strategy that you could virtually live for free where all your CA mortgage will be paid by OOS investments (or any indirect CF flow, such as debt funds or even REIT)
It's extremely even more important if you have family and serious about generational wealth transfer. Only in CA a company could give 200k job for non-manager position so they could get a good job easily here. And helping the family not to struggle that much in the future is by securing them portfolio of houses.

 Im not exactly sure what your trying to tell me here. please explain a bit more

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Randy Gutierrez:

If you own a construction company why are you not flipping homes? Being you don't have much time I would look into buying turnkey properties.


 My company is a general engineering business. We perform infrastructure work. Demolition, grading, underground utilities and asphalt paving. Public, commercial, industrial and residential. Not a ton of economies of scope to the house flipping world. Also, my time is already strectched thin with the abundance of work in our area just in our niche and focusing on expanding our reach from about 100miles to a few hundred miles of radius from our headquarters. I will look into turn key properties a bit more. Thank you.

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Michael Millet:

Okay, interesting. I'm working with investor clients who I find properties for. I had secured a duplex for them that had been fixed up, about a month ago.. 

$535k for two units, each earning solid $2400 per month in rent. They wanted it but got in their own way and asked for a 20 day pause, so they lost it to another buyer. Kinda painful to watch. 😑

Anyway, I have a nack for the research on finding the best places, would it be helpful if I sent you some examples? Then you can at least compare it to what's available in other places, if nothing else. 

No pressure, I just hate to do all that work and then nobody gets to benefit from it.. haha

I find solid duplexes for under $500k all the time, so staying under your budget is very conceivable. 


 What area are you talking about finding these?

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Jason Holtzinger:

You're already working 80 hours a week. Do you really want to take on management of a property in the most heavily regulated place on earth?

Buy in another state and hire someone to manage the property. Better yet, invest in a syndication to get a similar or better return with no need to worry about tenants and toilets.

I Definitely don't want to manage any property. I don't have enough time to do it myself. I haven't actually researched syndications yet. I will look into that today. Thank you for the advice. 

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Michael Millet:

Hey Jason, just out of curiosity, what's your budget?
I know you didn't mention Arizona, but I'm just curious what sorts of options I could find you at your price-points since we do have some great options.
If nothing else, you could use it to help figure out if CA is your best choice.


 The Only reason I mentioned Detroit & Columbus is because there have been SO many people talking about these areas lately and the prices are cheap. Ideally I could find something that worked closer to me on the west coast. Maybe the Reno,NV area or Arizona or Idaho (although Idaho seems like it has already caught up to our prices). These places ae very easy for me to drive or fly to for a quick trip. My wife went to school in NC and we visit friends there pretty often so Charlotte/Charlotte outskirts are enticing to us as well from the stand point of viewing properties and knowing the area. Id like to stay under the 500k purchase price mark but that is really kind of arbitrary.

Post: California Or Out of State????

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

Hi BP community, Please keep reading through this intro to get to the guts of my question.

I have decide that I am going to purchase my first multi family property. I purchased my first home in 2012 and held for 8 years in the north bay and came out very well ahead after purchasing my next home in the country. Now I am after cash flow specifically and am looking for a minimum of $200 per month after expenses for my first rental property. I am not as concerned with appreciation as my goal is to buy and rent and hold and repeat. I currently run a construction company and through our business we are comfortable and are able to do pretty much everything we want....at the cost of 80 hour plus weeks for me. My goal is to eventually have enough rental income to not be so reliant on my construction business for all our income.

Now we are on the hunt! The problem is finding a deal in the North Bay of CA that cashflows is insanely difficult. Finding a deal that cash flows without buying for cash seems near impossible do to the large loans needed to purchase the crazy priced properties. after some research of other markets,we could buy a property for cash in Detroit metro or Columbus outright and cash flow on month one.

I really want to invest locally since I know the state very well but just cant seem to make the numbers work.

Should I stay in the hunt or move on to a different state that is landlord friendly and has properties that can actually be purchased with a reasonable loan or for cash?

Thanks!

Post: Sonoma County Investing Facebook group

Jason HoltzingerPosted
  • Santa Rosa, CA
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

Just requested. Thanks!