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All Forum Posts by: Jason Guenther

Jason Guenther has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @John Clark:
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I currently owe $157,000 on my house. $55,000 in various loans,etc. I have $150,000 in a 403(b). Will be out of debt in May-June 2025 (the $55,000). My available income for investing will be around $30-$40k a year just by saving. 

I have been pondering alternative ways to fund my first investment property.  But I would love more strategies to do more than 1 property a year. I would love to do 2-3 properties a year. We have thought about selling our home buying a duplex and renting the other side. We have considered tapping into our equity or partnering with someone. Or maybe we should go ahead and commit to pay down the house, our mortgage is $1100. I'm a baby to this and learning the jargon so go easy on me in regards to terminology but I appreciate any ideas. Thank you! 

You are probably a few years away from being able to invest. You need to build up personal reserves and then save for a down payment. 

Use that time to learn basic accounting and bookkeeping. Also look at LOCAL areas to invest in, and in what (single family homes, three-flats, etc.). Start small and local. Do NOT set deadlines and dates. Set deal qualifications. 

 This is the most pragmatic advice.

I really recommend you also learn you can have everything, you can't have everything at once. 


I would work on getting your income up, and saving properly. $30-40k a year is not enough to manage REI, if anyone tells you it is it's either they got something to sell you or they have not faced a cycle or two of financial hardship(economic not necessarily personal). Don't be discouraged, if anything you want to admire the inflection point of the discipline, conviction, and analysis you'll do. Not discredit it. Trust me, it's worthwhile just appreciate the journey.


My recommendation is to get enough income to pursue a 25% downpayment, enough reserves to cover most of capex and vacancy. Then once you're there start looking for deals not looking to make a deal, there's a difference. At $30-40k a year saved up, that means 1 house every 3-4 years. In all honesty, this is better than 97% of America and 99% of the world. So don't discount it at all.

Don't be impulsive, be calculated. This takes time.

As always...

Fast solutions have slow problems!

Thank you for the advice and directness. Yea reality of a property a year isn’t wise nor reachable… yet. But property 3-4 years? I could do that. I’ve thought about doing this the Dave Ramsay way and getting rid of mortgage before investing. That might be a route, especially with my annual available income. No mortgage would help me weather a storm if a bad renter or economic collapse set in 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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@James Hamling, thanks for the candid response. I’m by nature a cautious step by step person but a good dose of focus will do me good. You have given me something to think about. I’ll identify that one thing and attack. See if me and my wife can get a game plan. But first… I think my wife left some cake in the fridge and for some reason I can’t shake it from my head ….

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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Quote from @Eric Bilderback:

I would get a low down payment house hack.  Try a fourplex live there for a year and do it again.  Would your current home make a good rental?  If so rent it out, if not sell it and go buy something that is.  I would say there should be a nice upside to selling a house you know and is in a decent location etc.  Make sure to get your house hack first then rent out your other home or sell it.  I don't let myself spend any equity from properties (even when I was scrapping and could have really used it) don't touch that equity! transfer it to the next property or leave it be and keep renting it out.  Hopefully you will have some cash flow to throw at the non real estate debt.  If you are prudent, aggressive and the market remains steady I think you can be a millionaire in 5 years rather easily.  And I would be shocked if you didn't have enough to live a middle class life in 10 years with passive income.  This will open up opportunities that seem completely unrealistic to you now.

Buy real estate in solid locations where the numbers work (probably tight though), manage the real estate for the future, and repeat.  Keep that up and one day you will be a very wealthy man, a very free man.

If you can own 2 million dollars in real estate and the market goes up by 3% you just created 6$0k to your net worth, if it goes up buy 6% you just added $120k.

Thanks Eric. I'm not certain if it would make a good rental. It is rural and 30 minutes outside of a major city, however, it does have a 20x30 shop that a tenant under the right circumstances might find desirable. I think selling it would be better. Appreciate your take. I am new to this but I'm starting to discern that everyone's path is so different. It's encouraging and a bit discouraging but I think that is the nature of the business. I'll continue to pay down my debt, save, watch my market for a fourplex and see if an opportunity arises. I want to be ready if it does! 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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Quote from @John Clark:
Quote from @Jason Guenther:

@Joseph Beilke

Hey Joseph. Appreciate your input. 

Full time job = $4550 monthly; Part time job = ~$2400-$3200 monthly

Little Rock, AR

Zillow estimated my property at $358,000. 

My goal is to replace my current income with rentals in at least 10 years (~$7000). Appreciate your assessment! 

You need to start thinking a little more thoroughly, and be able to articulate, and test, your assumptions. Example: your $7,000 a month income — is that gross or net? You didn’t say which, so what are we to assume? What quality neighborhoods are you thinking of? Class D neighborhoods pencil out great if you don’t know what you’re doing and don’t mind packing a gun when you go to collect rent every two weeks.

So here’s a tip: never invest in a place where you wouldn’t want to live. Given that you will probably house hack the first few times (3 or 4 years), that tip is literal.


Now comes the most important tip you will ever receive from anyone on BP: Make sure you have 100 percent support from your spouse as to both your overall plan AND the tactics/strategies to fulfill your overall plan. A plan based on property appreciation is very different from one based on cash flow, and is executed differently. Discuss what levels of debt you and your spouse will be comfortable with, as leverage can lose everything, including your home. Is your spouse comfortable with that? Agree on exit plans. What if you aren’t meeting your goals? How long will your spouse allow you to waste money pursuing your dreams? Make sure you know when to throw in the towel without feeling resentment to your life mate. What about life changes? Not to sound too déclassé about it, but broken condoms can equal broken dreams. Have contingencies for your plans. It might take you 25 years (not 10) to replace your (inflation adjusted) current income (gross or net?). Through it all, you have a partner who will be a brick. Whether that brick is something you build with, or is something upside your head, depends entirely on you.


 Good advice. I need to be more articulate on my numbers. The 7k is net. 

I do appreciate the advice about my spouse. We are in a strategy phase and currently discussing that. I'm fine with this being 25 year pursuit as I do love my job(s). I'm grateful both of them are remote so I can be with my family.  One route I've found attractive is possibly paying down all our debt, even mortgage, before going in on a property so we don't have the risk of losing our current home if something didn't go according to plan. And yes, as of now I'm leaning towards a cash flow model and I need to figure out how to execute that plan. Thanks again! 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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Quote from @Dan Guenther:

Hey @Jason Guenther - are we long lost cousins?!? 

First off, congrats on being so close to paying off that debt! If you're considering selling your home, moving into a duplex or triplex could be a smart way to lower living costs while building equity and earning rental income. You'll also get hand's on experience being a landlord which is something you'll need to fully understand before scaling. 

If you'd rather stay in your home, tapping into your equity through a HELOC or cash-out refinance could give you the funds for a down payment on an investment property. You could also consider turning your current property into a rental and then moving into a 2-4 unit property while holding tight to your current equity.

Partnering with someone is another option to scale faster—one of you could bring the capital while the other finds and manages the deals. If you are looking to scale you will most likely be looking into partnerships of some form down the road and this is exactly how I was able to scale in the last year. Keep in mind though that finding partners takes A LOT of time as you want to actually build a relationship with said partner before getting any money involved.  

Hard money loans or private lenders can also help you move quickly, but come with higher interest rates that you'd refinance later on. These are typically not something I'd recommend for first time investors, but you should still take some time to learn. 

Another option is seller financing, where you negotiate directly with a motivated seller to carry the note instead of going through a bank. Also look into “subject to” deals, which involve taking over the seller’s existing mortgage. Both options let you buy properties without needing traditional financing. I've been sent multiple creative finance deals in Arkansas from my network over the past few months so I do know they are out there. 

Lot's to unpack here but hopefully this gives you a decent high level pictures of some options you might have.  

You're in a solid spot with your savings—keep going and feel free reach out if you want to dig deeper into any of these routes. Remember that real estate is a get rich slow game! 


 Man, small world! We could be. Maybe we could hash that out one day :)

Appreciate the high level pictures. I like the idea of having a partner but that, like you said, would be something to develop over time. I've looked into hard money loans but that sounds too risky since I'm just now learning the nuance of things. I'll write down everything you said and use it to form a good goal/plan. Thanks! 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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@Alecia Loveless Wow! That is awesome. Good tenants are a blessing. I’ve heard quite the horror story. I definitely agree that debt needs to come down. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with that looming over my head. Ignorance is my main issue but after reading Rich Dad Poor Dad I’m inspired to get in the game. But I want to at least know the pieces on the board before I invest. I’m sure I’ll be here on the forum for many months slinging out ideas. Thanks for responding! 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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@Joseph Beilke

Thanks Joseph! I'll save this as an example for the future. I don't want to rush anything so learning what kind of time table I should expect. I'll learn now and also get more clarity on my "why". Appreciate your input and time. 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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@John Clark

@Jonathan Greene

Thank you both because that is good to know. I suppose my why is to be financially independent but I'm not sure what is "rushing" in this area. I'm still trying to figure out what an appropriate goal is or what is realistic to me. I will for now focus on learning the strategies, going to meet ups, and deal qualifications as a goal and save for now. 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

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@Joseph Beilke

Hey Joseph. Appreciate your input. 

Full time job = $4550 monthly; Part time job = ~$2400-$3200 monthly

Little Rock, AR

Zillow estimated my property at $358,000. 

My goal is to replace my current income with rentals in at least 10 years (~$7000). Appreciate your assessment! 

Post: My financial situation... what to do..?

Jason GuentherPosted
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I currently owe $157,000 on my house. $55,000 in various loans,etc. I have $150,000 in a 403(b). Will be out of debt in May-June 2025 (the $55,000). My available income for investing will be around $30-$40k a year just by saving. 

I have been pondering alternative ways to fund my first investment property.  But I would love more strategies to do more than 1 property a year. I would love to do 2-3 properties a year. We have thought about selling our home buying a duplex and renting the other side. We have considered tapping into our equity or partnering with someone. Or maybe we should go ahead and commit to pay down the house, our mortgage is $1100. I'm a baby to this and learning the jargon so go easy on me in regards to terminology but I appreciate any ideas. Thank you!