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All Forum Posts by: James Viglione

James Viglione has started 6 posts and replied 17 times.

Hi, everyone! I was wondering if there is any fellow investors here that are finding success in 2024 and able to make a deal work for 3/2 SFH's in Avon, Plainfield, Brownsburg areas? I've been diligently looking and analyzing deals for over a year and have not come across anything that pencils out. Even with a significant 50%-60% down payment seems like the purchase price would have to be in the 170-180K range, which is a tall ask for those areas in 2024. Even with an all cash purchase, one would be lucky to get a meager 5% on your cash. Are these markets dried up until the rent to price formula evens out a bit more down the line (if they ever do)? Would love to hear any advice or recent success stories investing in these areas. Thanks all!

Post: OOS Investing in Indy

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Thanks for the suggestion, Tyler! I've actually been looking into some properties in Lebanon and McCordsville this past week. Perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong neighborhoods and don't know the area well enough yet, but it seems like the rent to purchase price ratio in those areas is still really tight to cash flow. I'll have to check out Kokomo and Anderson. The Indy market is super tough right now with the current formula of where purchase price/tax rates/rental income/interest rates are sitting. Most SFH's I've been checking out have appreciated 100% in just 4 years time and are easily priced 30-50K+ (or more) above obtaining a decent yield / CoC. 

Post: OOS Investing in Indy

James ViglionePosted
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Quote from @Becca F.:

Cameron, I could write a 10 page paper about my experiences. I used to live in Hamilton County then rented out my home (owned 11 years) after I moved back to California - that rental has gone well, great tenants (on Year 4 of lease now), doubled in value from 2013 to 2021 but the property tax increases are substantial. Very few repairs (replaced HVAC and water heater when I lived there) but it's a newer home, built in 2005. 

I bought 2 Class C homes on East Side of Indianapolis in 2023 so the higher interest rates are a negative factor. That hasn't gone  well. C#1 has had 9 repairs out of 12 months, called in by tenant. I was supposed to cash flow $176 a month but now I'm break even with property tax increase in April 2024 and -$300 to -$500 most months. The seller did the renovation not me. C#2 currently problem solving this - too long of story to comment on here.

I think you could put together a guide for first time or OOS investors so they don't need to look at multiple sources, like city-data, Neighborhood Scout etc:

- Guide to Indy metro areas with median home prices, rents, property tax rates, typical insurance rates, how close these areas are to major employers, which companies are moving to Indy, median incomes for each county, unemployment rate, etc.  

This part no one told me about except for honest contractors and property managers:

- get a sewer line scope. In California a home seller is required to get an inspection of the private sewer lateral a certain number of years prior to the sale. The number of years depends on the city. Some require a Certificate of Compliance before close of escrow. Never had an issue with buying in CA with sewer line issues unlike Indy.

- a house can pass inspection but once it's under daily stress from an occupant living there things can start to break 

- just because the seller renovated it doesn't mean there won't be capital expenses and repairs. You never know how good the renovation is. I personally wouldn't recommend an OOS new investor do a BRRRR from far away but at least the investor would know what work was done, if the contractor is trustworthy.

- On my property tax rates, 2.72% for Hamilton County and 2.78% for Indy and there's no pattern to the increases, 7% one year, 4% another year then 17% the most recent one (Hamilton County and Indy Class C#1). I don't know if there's a cap for investors. I can't appeal the increases because the assessed values are less than the comparable market values. For someone running their numbers, I would factor in a 17% increase the next year in property taxes to be cautious, not the 3% or 7% most people use. I had to figure this one out on my own. 

- Stolen AC unit on East side of Indy and to get a cage. 

Knowing what I know now, I would have bought one newer home in the suburbs or townships and  accepted the negative cash flow in exchange for appreciation to not deal with repair issues. Feel free to DM for more insights :) 


Hi, Becca F.! Thanks for sharing your experiences investing in Indiana from OOS. I'm also an investor from California looking to get into the greater Indianapolis market. Would love to know your thoughts on the Avon, Plainfield, Brownsburg area? Seems the only way to get those areas to cash flow at the moment is with a 50-60%+ down payment, but I'm leaning towards playing it safe with my first SFH investment there rather than risking going into the more affordable C-class areas. I've heard too many horror stories from people investing in the rougher areas in Indy or losing their hat in multi family unit there.

Quote from @Veera Vala:

There are some very great suggestions given above. To add onto those, Indy is very street-by-street and you may find good deals working with a good realtor. We started investing in Indy in 2019 and now after acquiring 16 properties, we have quite a good information on most of the areas and zipcodes. Please feel free to message me and we can talk in detail. 

Happy to help, 

Veera Vala Tried


 HI Veera Vala,

Congrats on your success on the Indy market! I'm also an investor from Southern California looking in and around Indianapolis. Been actively searching for a 3bd/2bath SFH for the past few months and can't seem to find anything that cash flows 8%+ in most of the suburbs. Especially after doubling up property taxes for being an out of state investor. Places like Avon, Brownsburg, Noblesville, etc. I'm still unable to make the numbers work with a sizable down payment. If you have any advice or recommendations, I would love to hear it!

Hello. I'm an OOS investor looking for recommendations for a good mortgage broker who is licensed in both Indiana AND California. I live in California and will be investing in Indiana. Turns out my mortgage broker is only licensed in CA and is unable to shop around to his panel for an investment property in Indiana. Thanks!

Quote from @Randy Rodenhouse:

I have the tenant pay for the water and sewer and all utilities and snow removal.  In some areas the garbage is part of your tax bill and already paid for by you the owner of the property. In other areas you have to pay for it separate. Also I have my tenants take care of the lawn but that could be negotiated or maybe a perk that you could give a new tenant in the property.

Thanks for the insight, Randy! Much appreciated.

Hi, everyone! Hoping to get some helpful feedback from some landlords in Indy for running numbers on a deal. Do you pay for your tenants’ Water, Sewer, Garbage, Snow, Lawn costs? Or do you bill them for it? How much do these services costs in Indy? Thanks!!

Hi, everyone! Hoping to get some helpful feedback from some landlords in Indy. Do you pay for your tenants’ Water, Sewer, Garbage, Snow, Lawn costs? Or do you bill them for it? How much do these services costs in Indy? Thanks!!

Quote from @Mike Klarman:

I believe it would, but I would deposit the money now because most lenders will ask for the most recent statement, so the deposit will show on that next statement you get in early FEB, but come the next statement in early March your beginning and ending balances will see untouched and they'll be no record of any deposit on the statement and no one will even blink an eye.  I've had investors send me statements that have 500k+ in them and no one says a word.


 Very helpful info! Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, Mike! 

Quote from @Mike Klarman:

Anything over 10k and most banks will ask for a LOX - Letter Of Explanation.

In that letter, you will explain that this money is 20 years of savings that was always kept in cash with the purposes of using it in real estate.

Or, deposit the money 5k at a time into whatever account you intend to use for the real estate transaction.

Hi, Mike! Very helpful information, thank you! If I go with a conventional at a major bank/lender, do you believe a LOX would suffice or is there a greater chance they would discredit the deposit towards the down payment due to scrutinizing the process a bit more?