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All Forum Posts by: James Hwang

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Post: How effective can MTR be with small multifamily properties?

James Hwang
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  • Palisades Park, NJ
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Quote from @Ryan Kanaley:
Quote from @James Hwang:

Thanks @Jonathan Greene! You're 100% correct, as always.

@Travis Boyd, 19 of my MTRs are in multifamily properties. No issues with MTRs in duplexes, triplexes, and quads. Also no real issues with our 5 arbitrages in an apartment complex. It's easier to scale with multifamily properties due to income potential and operations. I really like having multiple opportunities to make income from 1 property, including a worst scenario of converting all the units to LTR. If 1 tenant isn't paying rent, at least another tenant will. Being able to shuffle leads from MTR to MTR is a huge bonus and you can benefit from the economies of scale faster. 

Operationally, it's easier in multifamily and you'll have cost-saving opportunities as well when it comes to certain expenses. If you're scaling your rental portfolio, you have to scale your operations as well.

Having said that, I have friends who only have single family MTR homes and do extremely well at scale. It takes more effort and there's more risk involved (therefor more reward), but it just depends on your goals and how you want to get there.

As far as focusing on areas with high demand for travel nurses, that's just 1 tenant-type of many in a changing landscape. Many of the level 1 trauma centers will likely have a need for travel nurses, but the need for travel healthcare professionals in hospitals changes based on many factors: temporary shortage of staff in a particular unit, budget, patient census, conversion to per diem instead of travel contracts, etc. You can find some absolute MTR gems near smaller hospitals that aren't so obvious but ultimately, housing supply in the area is something I'd say is more important coupled with your amenities. One of our MTRs is in an area with extremely low supply that we've had a waiting list for it one summer. That unit with the waitlist is the only pet-friendly home (duplex) with a fully fenced-in yard accepting more than 1 pet, including larger animals. 

I can go way deeper into finding good MTR markets, pursing tenants other than travel nurses, property types, scaling operations through systems (my specialty), renovations, etc but it's much harder to do in a thread. Shoot me a DM - I'm happy to chat, although BP is kind of wonky for me, especially on mobile. I also also co-host a weekly Zoom Q&A on MTRs called MTR Office Hours in a Skool Community.

 @James Hwang what’s the link to your Skool meeting? Your strategy is exactly what I’m attempting to do in Tucson. I have one single family near a hospital and am in the market for my first multi family. 


 Not sure if I'm allowed to post external links here, but it's in my BiggerPockets profile page.

Post: How effective can MTR be with small multifamily properties?

James Hwang
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  • Palisades Park, NJ
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Quote from @Miguel Del Mazo:
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We have 3 2/1 condos in our portfolio that attract traveling professionals (medical or otherwise) and a triplex that we essentially BRRR'd down to the studs. When we built up the triplex, we set it up so that each of the 11 rooms can be rented out individually (all BR, except 2, have their own bathroom behind an electronically locked door). Each BR even has its own mailbox and key.

The triplex is much more popular with traveling work crews for specialists in the trades and insurance relocations, so if we were to do it again, I would probably worry less about making each room it's own rentable space and save a little bit of those costs. 

All that to say, I really like small multifamily for MTR. It offers flexibility as a landlord to be able to offer more or less rooms as needed, protection to the landlord in that you can hedge with adding LTR or STR to the mix, and simplification to the business as your only dealing with one address. Throw in that you can dramatically increase the value of the property once you show consistent rent rolls much higher than when the space was used for LTR, and you have a big win.

All of this depends on your market having demand, of course. 


You nailed it with the traveling work crews. They are the most underserved market for MTR that is out there right now. And it makes sense that you don't need so many baths, but I liked the thought of building it out like that because I think long-term, there is still value in it if someone wants to buy it and do full coliving or sober living would be ideal.


I definitely don't regret having done it that way, but for someone starting out when money is tighter, it's not necessary. The two 4-bedroom units even have two full-size washer and dryers each! 

Co-living is going to grow and grow as time goes on (but maybe less so in my neck of the woods, to be honest). Sober living hasn't much of a foothold in NE GA from what I can tell, but there is a lot of need for traveling crews that work in specialized areas of the trades. 

To help support that avatar, try and have on-site parking and ideally a place where a large work truck can be parked without issue (think fully decked out F-350). 


I think if anyone chose to focus on inbound crews and create parking like you said, as well as crew amenities (large dining areas, etc), they would be booked year-round and in-demand. This is great information.

@Jonathan Greene I totally agree. 

Parking is such a big deal and not talked about enough as an actual "amenity" or focal point in MTRs. It's not really an issue in many markets (especially most single family). But it's quite a big deal where we're located and often overlooked by newer investors getting into MTRs. When doing MTR in multifamily properties, parking is SUPER important and is actually my starting point when looking at homes. If parking is a no-go (more on this below), then I don't even look at the pictures on the MLS unless the driveway can be expanded if it's a multifamily I'd like to buy or helping a friend buy.

@Travis Boyd Here's what I look at when I'm analyzing any property as a potential MTR in a multifamily, be it a property I'm looking to buy, arbitrage, or co-host:

1. No off-street parking = not worth doing MTR unless it meets all of the following: super urban area where no parking is the norm, highly desirable area with a ton of MTR demand, super safe part of the city, and has great public transportation (think NYC, Hoboken NJ, etc.)

Unless it meets all of the criteria above, I pass on those opportunities because my MTR will be eliminating the many people that travel with their vehicles. If accepting the no parking MTR situation, then the MTR really needs to be pet-friendly (bonus if fenced-in yard) and have laundry (especially in-unit) to make up for the elimination of a key amenity. The MTR positioned for the most success and occupancy is one that does not eliminate the 3 key MTR non-negotiables among travelers - PPL: Pets, Parking, and Laundry. If you can maximize all 3, then you've also created a very wide lead funnel, which is less common in multifamily properties.

Maximizing "pets" means you're removing carpet, allowing at least 2 pets including cats and larger dogs > 50 lbs, access to a fully fenced-in yard or walking distance to a dog park, leniency on breed restrictions (depends on insurance, your risk tolerance, due diligence with pets during inquiry phase), pet friendly furniture (e.g. faux leather couch, low pile rugs if at all), etc. Maximizing "parking" means you have at least 1 parking spot for each bedroom. Minimum 2 spots for a 3 bed MTR, minimum 3 or a 4 bed (may want to find if there's an overnight parking lot nearby). Tandem parking is fine only if that entire section belongs to the unit and coordination is not needed with other units in the multi to get in and out. Maximizing "laundry" means you have dedicated in-unit laundry that is also not coin operated and not located in a scary, dimmly lit unfinished basement. Ultimately, shared laundry works just fine in our multi's - sometimes you just have no choice.

2. Single lane driveway = not good for MTR in a multifamily because tenants will not want to communicate with the other unit to move their cars. In a multi that is a combo with LTR, I'd give the single lane driveway to the MTR unit and street parking to the LTR unit. But in the end, it depends on each scenario.

3. Street parking restrictions - is overnight parking allowed? Some towns in my area do not even allow homeowners(!) to park overnight on the street. Some towns require a residential parking permit (sometimes on specific streets only within that same town) - you need to know what those requirements are and how feasible it will be. Some towns even require a driver's license showing proof of address in that town in order to park overnight (impossible with MTR). Guest parking permits - are you restricted to a number of guest permits per month/year? What's the process & requirements (e.g. copy of lease agreement) for getting one and would the MTR tenant need to arrive early enough on check-in day to get to the municipal building that probably closes at 4 or 5 PM? If it's an Airbnb booking, are you having them sign a lease agreement in order for them to get a permit? Some towns require a nightly online form to be filled out for any non-residents who are parking their cars (this is easily automated from an operational standpoint).

As the MTR market becomes saturated over time, those who have separated themselves from the rest of the "competition" will continue to perform well by having an outstanding listing and all the MTR-specific amenities. I write "competition" in quotes because I collaborate with my local "competition" instead of competing with them - common among MTR operators.

Post: How effective can MTR be with small multifamily properties?

James Hwang
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  • Palisades Park, NJ
  • Posts 9
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Thanks @Jonathan Greene! You're 100% correct, as always.

@Travis Boyd, 19 of my MTRs are in multifamily properties. No issues with MTRs in duplexes, triplexes, and quads. Also no real issues with our 5 arbitrages in an apartment complex. It's easier to scale with multifamily properties due to income potential and operations. I really like having multiple opportunities to make income from 1 property, including a worst scenario of converting all the units to LTR. If 1 tenant isn't paying rent, at least another tenant will. Being able to shuffle leads from MTR to MTR is a huge bonus and you can benefit from the economies of scale faster. 

Operationally, it's easier in multifamily and you'll have cost-saving opportunities as well when it comes to certain expenses. If you're scaling your rental portfolio, you have to scale your operations as well.

Having said that, I have friends who only have single family MTR homes and do extremely well at scale. It takes more effort and there's more risk involved (therefor more reward), but it just depends on your goals and how you want to get there.

As far as focusing on areas with high demand for travel nurses, that's just 1 tenant-type of many in a changing landscape. Many of the level 1 trauma centers will likely have a need for travel nurses, but the need for travel healthcare professionals in hospitals changes based on many factors: temporary shortage of staff in a particular unit, budget, patient census, conversion to per diem instead of travel contracts, etc. You can find some absolute MTR gems near smaller hospitals that aren't so obvious but ultimately, housing supply in the area is something I'd say is more important coupled with your amenities. One of our MTRs is in an area with extremely low supply that we've had a waiting list for it one summer. That unit with the waitlist is the only pet-friendly home (duplex) with a fully fenced-in yard accepting more than 1 pet, including larger animals. 

I can go way deeper into finding good MTR markets, pursing tenants other than travel nurses, property types, scaling operations through systems (my specialty), renovations, etc but it's much harder to do in a thread. Shoot me a DM - I'm happy to chat, although BP is kind of wonky for me, especially on mobile. I also also co-host a weekly Zoom Q&A on MTRs called MTR Office Hours in a Skool Community.

Post: Need input from MTR landlords!

James Hwang
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  • Palisades Park, NJ
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Thanks for the tag, @Jonathan Greene!

@Brett Deas, what are some of the frustrations you're experiencing with the platforms you're using? I'm sure I'm familiar with most of them, for better or for worse! Perhaps we can lament together or better yet, share our solutions.

There are many issues and barriers, no matter where we're listing our units. Whether it's Airbnb, VRBO, FF, Zillow, FB, direct booking website, insurance relocation portals, databases from MTR operators who get a lot of insurance/corporate leads, CHBO, etc.

The MTR space is still quite young, unlike STR. Often times, it's figuring out our own workarounds or accepting that there are some obstacles we'll just have to deal with. FF is revamping their website (among MANY other changes), especially after the new CEO came on board a year ago.

I have noticed that MTR operators utilize the platforms very differently from one another and most do not know how to take advantage or optimize for better performance. Every market is also extremely different from the next, so there's no one-size fits all approach. There are plenty of operators who have success on one platform while others get crickets.

Post: Purchasing first investment property

James Hwang
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  • Palisades Park, NJ
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I would connect with @James Hwang about this. He does more MTR, but has STR in multis and knows every strategy in the book for you to do this well and not botch it on your first one. He may even convince you MTR might be a better strategy in 1 of the units as a hedge. STR you will spend more on design and furniture than MTR.

Happy to help, Marc! I've been in your shoes. 

 Thanks for the tag, @Jonathan Greene

Post: Anyone in Northern NJ utilizing the MTR strategy?

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Hey @Jonathan Vinas, I'm one of the co-founders of Stellar Housing Solutions. Thank you for your kind words! We have 15 active MTRs in NJ and should be at 17 by September. All but one are in Northern NJ. Happy to chat more, although I'm more responsive and active on Instagram @james_hwang

The real estate investing world is small and the MTR operator world is even smaller. It's so nice to see all of my friends here in this thread!

As I'm sure there will be folks in NJ and in the MTR space in general reading this thread, I think it's a good time to showcase the amazing people here.

OP @Jake Handler is a Northern NJ realtor and investor, has a fun monthly email newsletter called Propportunities (properties with opportunities) along with a cool Instagram page where he shares what he does daily.

@Jonathan Greene as I'm sure everyone can tell by his BP stats is an expert in all things real estate investing from decades of experience. He has a great podcast (and newsletter) where all the BiggerPockets heavy hitters have been guests. Also runs a monthly meetup often closer to you, Jake!

@Mark F. is a local investor who I've had hours and hours of conversations and texts with, just talking shop. We all need friends with a lot of stoke in our investing journey and Mark is that type of person you need in your life!

@Allen Duan is a well-known MTR expert and property manager among those of us who are MTR operators. Everyone knows Allen and how technical he is. Approaching 30 MTRs in LA and some in Vegas, I've learned a lot from Allen, who also recently launched a free Skool Community where he has weekly Q&A sessions and provides long-format content on how he operates his MTR business.

If anyone reading is in NJ or has an interest in MTRs, the above folks are the go-to people! Happy connecting!

Post: Experienced MTR investors!

James Hwang
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Thanks @Jonathan Greene!

@Eric Andrekopoulos - happy to help you with your MTR investing journey! I love talking shop about all things related to MTRs. My DMs are also open!

Post: House hacking in Bergen County, NJ

James Hwang
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Hi everyone, first-time investor here! I am looking to house hack a 2-4 unit multifamily property in Bergen County, NJ to get started. I'm currently looking in the Southern Bergen County area. East Bergen County (where I currently live) would be preferable because I drive into Manhattan every day for work (Washington Heights), but I understand that this area does not make sense.

If you had to house hack a small multifamily in Bergen County, New Jersey, which towns would you target and why? I am considering renting by the room and looking for value adds (ie. adding a bedroom, bathroom, finishing a basement). I live simply and do not need much space for myself at the moment. Commute time and parking availability are some of the various reasons why I'd like to stay in Southern Bergen County (for now).

Additionally, if anyone here currently house hacks in Bergen County, I'd love to connect and chat!