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All Forum Posts by: James Bavaro

James Bavaro has started 9 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

James Bavaro
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Hey everyone, 

25 year old Orthopedic Surgery PA in Staten Island, NY, looking to garner my first investment in the world of real estate. I had been looking for properties around the area I currently live, but very few make sense in regard to the numbers given the current state of the economy. So, I came across this property which is by the university that which I attained my masters in medicine. 

Purchase price: $140K

% Down: 25% (I am considering pitching the investment to a friend and making this a cash purchase - any advice regarding this decision is much appreciated!)

Currently occupied by a section 8 tenant on a year to year lease. currently paying $1805

Cash flow = $800

- I left out some CapEx expenses in the report, as this is a newly renovated home, but will account for everything once I dive deeper into this potential investment. Would have to consider the expense of a property manager, as this property is about a 1-hour drive from my current location.

- Seems to be absent of any major internal issues. New hot water heaters + roofing. Valid CO. 

Low-income neighborhood (lots of section 8 tenants)

- Very close to hospital and nearby highschool. About 10-15 minutes from the nearest University and about 20-25 from the University I attended.

Thoughts on this property as a first investment? Any and every form of feedback is much appreciated. Welcoming the good, the bad, and the ugly!

Thank you.

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Quote from @Jared W Smith:
Quote from @Jeremy Mendenhall:

Yes, go down and talk to you DOB (or whoever handles the permitting), and ask if they can tell you how many of the other inspections were actually completed on schedule during the building process. If it really was just the final inspection missing, that’s an acceptable level of risk for me. But… if none of the inspections were completed at all, and the building was completely built after the permit was first polled, I might be more worried.

In my case, the structure was a highend and very large garage that was well-built, and really was only missing the final. So I felt comfortable with it.

@James Bavaro- This information (permit, completed inspections, remaining tasks) is all available online. You just need to know where to look. I would avoid going to or calling DOB as they could convolute the situation not understanding the situation. The clerks are generalist. 

Online research is best approach. Go here: https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/bispi00.jsp  and input block/lot OR borough + street number + street name. Then scroll down to "Jobs/Filings". It gets a little complex once you get in from here if you don't know what you're looking for or reading. DM if you need help. 

-Jared W. Smith, RA - Principal Architect at Architect Owl PLLC (Licensed in NY & CT)


 will do, and thanks for your feedback! i really appreciate it. 

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Quote from @Jared W Smith:

Don't walk but run @James Bavaro

These types of projects come across my desk every other week. I have spoken on these types of projects hundreds of times. I don't know if your Architect is savvy to NYC but if he's willing to charge you $12k to close the permit, then I'd get him to put that in writing guaranteeing that fee and sign it ASAP. The house isn't a legal 2-fam. And if the seller won't budge then you shouldn't be purchasing it as one, but valued as a SFH if they're not willing to complete the leg work for the CO.

The first problem is the permit was opened in 2005 and then built. As others mentioned, you will need to see what inspections, if any, were completed. Often times none were done. Secondly, the DOB clerks NEVER give you the whole picture. They aren't the ones reviewing the forms, plans/drawings to provide the necessary approvals. You will be paying way more than $200 in fees. Mark my words. And lastly, and most problematic, there's been several Building Code changes since 2005. It's likely, especially if no inspections were done, you'll need a full set of documents to show compliance with today's codes. This will trigger a bunch of things that could be costly to change.  

Another note about the Architect, if an Architect has to supersede the prior Architect of Record, this brings on a lot of liability since they weren't present for the construction and didn't create any of the documents. $12k is super low in that case. 

And as @Mohammed Rahman said, DO NOT proceed with Closing without getting a full grasp of what obtaining the legal 2-fam CO will require and thoroughly discounting the price if you are still willing to purchase. I had a prospective client Close and come to me with a similar situation. I wasn't willing to take on the liability for the cost he wanted. It's been years trying to get it closed out and he has not been successful. I recommended he reach out to the original Architect to see if he'd do it, however with these old projects they may not be practicing architecture any longer or be dead.   

DM me to discuss in more detail. 

-Jared W. Smith, RA - Principal Architect at Architect Owl PLLC (Licensed in NY & CT)


 wow! this is awesome feedback. i really appreciate your time. will most definitely take this into consideration!!!

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Quote from @Jeremy Mendenhall:

Yes, go down and talk to you DOB (or whoever handles the permitting), and ask if they can tell you how many of the other inspections were actually completed on schedule during the building process. If it really was just the final inspection missing, that’s an acceptable level of risk for me. But… if none of the inspections were completed at all, and the building was completely built after the permit was first polled, I might be more worried.

In my case, the structure was a highend and very large garage that was well-built, and really was only missing the final. So I felt comfortable with it.


 got it! thanks so much

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Quote from @Jeremy Mendenhall:

You need to find out from the city exactly what last inspections are still pending. It might indeed be a quick fix. 

I had a similar situation on one of my deals, only it was disclosed up front that the building final inspection had never been ordered, and also that the fire marshal would not sign off until a concrete or asphalt drive was put in. It was a very long driveway, and was estimated to cost $40k+…..   But after I bought it, come to find out there was a new marshal who was easy to work with, and he agreed to sign off on it given some extenuating circumstances. Then when the building inspector came out for the final, there was less than $400 of electrical changes he required. Made the changes—got the permit closed.

If you already got the price lowered, I think I might consider it a win and keep moving forward with the project. 

 good to know, and thanks for your feedback. where do you recommend i find this information? i assume DOB 

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Hey all,

I have an offer accepted for a two-family property that I plan on utilizing as a rental. The property illicit great numbers (ROI, cash flow, sale price, etc.) Just before signing my contract, however, the seller disclosed that there is an open permit on the home to make the property a legal two-family. The permit was opened in 2005, and the construction was (allegedly) completed shortly thereafter. However, it seems like the file was never legally closed.


We've tried negotiating with the seller to deliver the property with a closed permit, however, he will not budge. I did negotiate for a lesser sale price on the home, and won. So, if I were to invest in this property, I would have to close it myself. I completed some due diligence - I spoke with an architect who gave me a quote for about $12K to close the permit. I then spoke to the department of buildings (DOB) who told me that it will only cost about $200 and some time filling out paper work to close the open permit. Two opinions on different extremes...you can imagine how much of a standstill I am at currently in my decision making regarding moving forwards with this property. I feel as if this investment might be a gamble with this open permit, considering it most likely has to pass inspections before the permit is closed. I am afraid that once the house is closed on, and inspections are made from the DOB that they might find something wrong and open a costly can of worms,


Could anyone offer some advice and/or words from experience for when dealing with open permits?  

Post: Open Permit from 2005 - Multi-family Investment

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Hey all,

I have an offer accepted for a two-family property that I plan on utilizing as a rental. The property illicit great numbers (ROI, cash flow, sale price, etc.) Just before signing my contract, however, the seller disclosed that there is an open permit on the home to make the property a legal two-family. The permit was opened in 2005, and the construction was (allegedly) completed shortly thereafter. However, it seems like the file was never legally closed.


We've tried negotiating with the seller to deliver the property with a closed permit, however, he will not budge. I did negotiate for a lesser sale price on the home, and won. So, if I were to invest in this property, I would have to close it myself. I completed some due diligence - I spoke with an architect who gave me a quote for about $12K to close the permit. I then spoke to the department of buildings (DOB) who told me that it will only cost about $200 and some time filling out paper work to close the open permit. Two opinions on different extremes...you can imagine how much of a standstill I am at currently in my decision making regarding moving forwards with this property. I feel as if this investment might be a gamble with this open permit, considering it most likely has to pass inspections before the permit is closed. I am afraid that once the house is closed on, and inspections are made from the DOB that they might find something wrong and open a costly can of worms,  


Could anyone offer some advice and/or words from experience for when dealing with open permits? 

Post: Section 8 - Single vs. Multi-family housing

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Quote from @Glen Wiley:
When dealing with tenants and especially low income tenants here are a few thoughts based on 20 years experience and a few evictions:

1. Do NOT get soft with late rent. If they are late more than 5 days, start the eviction process. Many of the low income folks I have rented to are pros at "working the system" and will bleed you dry. It sounds cold, but you are running a business, you provide a service that they agreed to pay for. If they can't pay, remove them.
2. Charge late fees and stick to it. This is a kindness to tenants. Once they know where the boundaries are they are more likely to stay on track.
3. Ignore credit ratings but ask them to explain what you will see during a credit check. If they lie to you, do NOT rent to them.
4. Do a background check, if they have judgements for non-payment of rent, do NOT rent to them. If they burned a landlord before, they will burn one again.

Be kind, be understanding but be firm.

 thank you!!! i appreciate this advice and will take it into account.

Post: Section 8 - Single vs. Multi-family housing

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Hey everyone, 

About to be a first time RE investor here, as I just got an offer accepted on a multi-family property. My plan is to target section 8 renters. The property is a 2bed/1bath over a 3bed/2 bath duplex. I've completed tons of research/due diligence. The numbers work, as it cash flows nicely given the section 8 rental standard payments for the zip code of the property. 


I had just come across a section 8 strategy video on youtube of a very well-known and successful investor who actually recommended not using multi-family properties as housing for targeting individuals with section 8 vouchers for various reasons...and now I'm afraid!!!


Could anyone provide some insight/advice? Any feedback is much appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

Post: Deal Analysis - My First Investment Property

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Quote from @Abel Curiel:
Quote from @James Bavaro:

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Hey Everyone,

25 year old Physician Assistant. Heavy stock market index fund investor. Future Real Estate investor.

Here is an analysis of potentially my first RE investment deal. Please let me know what you think.

- Sale Price - 600K

- Offering 525K with 10% down payment

- This is a 2bed/1bath over a 2bed/1bath duplex with a fully finished basement with 3beds/1bath that which is LEGALLY part of the first floor unit.

- All units are currently vacant. I plan on targeting section 8 renters. According to nyc.gov, section 8 offers about $3K for a 2bed/1bath unit. The numbers I ran in the report are at a conservative $2500 per unit, just in case we can't find any section 8 renters.

As for the basement area, our agent recommended we utilize it via a cheap cash deal by filling it with non-section 8 renters since it is a very large and useful space. I plan on legally turning this area into its own unit at some point, but I understand this is an expensive and lengthy process and do not have the liquid cash to afford it at this time. Will plan on re-investing the cash flow earned on this property towards this idea.

- I ran the numbers with a 3% vacancy. I hope this is the correct way to do it. According to my agent who knows the area well, I won't have much issue searching to fill the units with section 8 renters. Don't know if the time of year would affect me finding new renters or not around the holiday season.

- Cash Flow = $800-900 per month (This does not include the potentiality for a $1k/month cash deal for the basement area)

- Expenses: New hot water heaters and roofing. The property needs minor touch ups - New painting, definitely some cleaning/scrubbing. There are options to fully renovate the basement bathroom and basement kitchen - I do have relationships/resources that allow for these jobs to get completed for a reasonably cheap expense.

- Exit Strategy: This is a long term hold. I plan to have it forever and accumulate properties as I go.

What advice do you have for me? What am I missing? What should be analyzed further? Should I put more money down up-front?

Any and every piece of feedback is much appreciated. Thank you in advance.


 Hello James,

The deal looks pretty solid here. I'd defer to your agent regarding offer price but from a quick glance, $525K seems a bit low. Did you already get an offer accepted at this number? If so, congrats!!

This will be delivered vacant and has only been on the market for 2 days with decent numbers - 8 saves and 300+ views. My guess is this will sell for more than your projected price but for your sake, I hope I'm wrong! With this low inventory and high demand market (especially with rates lowering this past week), I'd recommend going with a higher down payment if you can swing it. 

Location seems to be pretty good as you're a short walk from a train station. 

A couple of things I'd recommend changing on the analysis:
- factor in utility expenses for the 1st fl and basement units. Although you can add this into the monthly rent, I'd account for it since most properties do not have separate electric & gas meters for the 1st fl and basement
- factor in a 5% vacancy rate which is roughly 2 vacant weeks/year. 3% is a bit unrealistic especially if you'd need to put in a little work post-closing to get the units ready for new tenants
- factor in water expense since this is typically paid for by the landlord in NY
- consider a 3-5% maintenance expense to cover any miscellaneous maintenance requests from tenants

Aside from that, your exit strategy sounds solid. Hold, Hold, Hold!

All the best!

Abel


 Hey Abel,

Thanks so much for your feedback and advice. We did not yet get the property at 525k, but is my initial offer. Still waiting, as there is a bidding war occurring. Hoping for the best!

Thanks, again!