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All Forum Posts by: Jake Fahey

Jake Fahey has started 3 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Turnkey vs. DIY Deal Hunting

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Dean Harris:

@Jake Fahey

To me, the best route to take is to BRRRR in Memphis. I have completed 4 myself this year and I am working on the 5th. I love the BRRRR strategy here in Memphis. You do need to make sure it is completed correctly but the idea of having a freshly rehabbed home with a tenant that you place or your management company places has really worked for me.

Best of Luck!

That's awesome! I'm a big believer in the BRRRR strategy. I'm spread pretty thin with non-real estate endeavors so I'm more focused on the lower effort investments right now but I expect BRRRR will be a part of my future investment plans. Would you be willing to chat about your BRRRR strategy in Memphis some time?

Post: Turnkey vs. DIY Deal Hunting

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Chris Clothier:

Hey Chris - I agree that the economies of scale you get working with true turnkey providers is another advantage. And making sure you are working with a good one is important. For those going the BRRRR route they might not be able to do a rehab as efficiently, but simply putting the work in to add that value is still likely to pay off over time. But again, trying to focus less on full rehabs here and more on those non-turnkey deals requiring minimal effort to get rent-ready to see how those stack up against true turnkey. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Post: Turnkey vs. DIY Deal Hunting

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7

There seems to be a common sentiment that buying turnkey rental properties means you are leaving money on the table. I understand this viewpoint because the turnkey company does have to make money somehow and their profit does in fact come from you, their buyer.

With so many different ways to invest though, we need to define what we are actually comparing things against. If you were to do everything the turnkey provider does for a living and essentially BRRRR a property on your own instead of going TK, you are almost definitely going to make that into a better deal (assuming you do it right). You are also going to do a lot more work.

A More Specific Comparison

For the purpose of this discussion I am more interested in comparing turnkey against DIY, low-cost rehabs purchased through the MLS or other more traditional means of finding deals. This comparison is meant to bring two strategies that have similar work effort required into the spotlight. It seems likely that many investors, especially new ones, might find themselves choosing between each of these paths and having a solid understanding of the pros and cons as well as potential returns for each strategy would be very beneficial.

I chose to start building my portfolio through a turnkey provider, so I'm going to look more closely at the turnkey case here and hopefully the community can join in to discuss the alternative (low-cost rehab/MLS/more traditional deal finding) in relation to what turnkey has to offer.

Deal Flow

I actually think that setting up your own deal flow through rockstar agents and a really good team is probably as good if not better than getting deal flow through turnkey, but turnkey makes deals come to your inbox VERY easily. I don’t think either necessarily has an edge here, a good turnkey provider can be a part of a good team but in any case you just need a good team bringing you deals and both strategies can have that if done right.

Fresh Rehab

This might be my favorite part of turnkey investing. The house I just bought in Memphis has a brand new roof and a brand new hot water heater. The central air and heating systems are 6 years old. Most of the house is covered in brand new vinyl plank flooring. I didn’t have to manage this rehab in any way, but for the first few years of ownership my concern for major capital expenditures coming up is greatly diminished. This does not mean I don’t still plan for cap ex, I do; but I position myself to have a higher likelihood of smooth sailing early on when I buy immediately after a full rehab (a rehab done intentionally for the purposes of renting it out).

Property Management

I’m certain there are good property managers that are not also turnkey providers, but when I have my turnkey provider also act as my property manager I remove a possible conflict of interest. While my provider does make money managing my property, they make quite a bit more money when they sell me one. It is in their best interests to keep my costs low and keep me happy with their property management so that my investment goes well and I will come back for more. If a company only makes money through property management then that is where they are looking to make their money - some will navigate that conflict of interest better than others and look at the long term relationship as more important, but I like removing the conflict altogether.

Cash-on-Cash Return

This is my real-life example of buying through a turnkey provider where I was able to get all the benefits listed above that I found appealing.

Purchase price: $122,500

Neighborhood rating: B

Rent: $1,195

Down payment + closing costs: $31,870

Property tax: $144

Insurance: $57

PM fees: 8% = $96

Vacancy: 4% = $48

Repairs + cap ex: 8% = $96

Monthly cash flow: $235

Cash-on-cash: 8.8%

What about the alternative?

With an 8.8% cash-on-cash return, was I leaving money on the table as compared to finding my own deals on the MLS that might need some minor rehab work? How much money? Was it worth it to get the extra benefits of working with a turnkey provider?

There are many variables and I don’t expect there to be a clear cut answer, but I’d love to tap into the knowledge of this community to further this discussion and see what kinds of returns folks are getting with their different strategies and why they prefer one approach over another.

Thank you all in advance!

Post: First Investment Property - Turnkey in Memphis, TN

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Arash V.:
Originally posted by @Mark S.:

Congrats, @Jake Fahey.   Who was your TK provider in Memphis?  

Also interested in this! 
  

I used Memphis Investment Properties (MIP) on this deal. Mark Hart, from MIP, can be found on BiggerPockets - he was my main point of contact on the buying side.

From purchase through the first 6 months of ownership on this one property I have only good things to say about them. I'm hopeful they will keep up the good work for the lifetime of my investment, but obviously don't have first-hand experience over a long timeframe, so keep that in mind.

If you do get as far as buying a property with them, they do pay referral fees so I would appreciate it a lot if you mentioned my name to Mark if and when you first connect with him! But either way be sure to do your own due diligence on them and on their properties, per usual.

Post: First Investment Property - Turnkey in Memphis, TN

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Martin Shaw:

Jake I'm working on a property now in Memphis that should be finished in the next 60 days. Zip code 38134 (suburbs). Looking to sell it either to a home buyer to move in or invester looking to add to their portfolio. 140-150k APR. rents in the area go for about $1200-$1400

I also use my TK provider as my PM and they don't take on properties they didn't rehab. So right now I'm not really looking outside of what they have to offer, but that may change in the future and I am willing to connect and discuss this further if you'd like!

Post: First Investment Property - Turnkey in Memphis, TN

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Memphis.

Purchase price: $122,500
Cash invested: $32,000

I bought this through a turnkey provider earlier in the year and am just updating my profile with it now! Excited to be in the game and was a huge fan of going turnkey for my first deal. I'll likely keep buying turnkey to keep my deal flow coming, but also look for more value add deals as I become better at this.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I am investing for cash flow and the Memphis market for single family homes is great for this. I went turnkey to make my first purchase a bit easier, especially out of state, and to get a recently renovated home with lower likelihood of major repairs needed in the early years of ownership.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found a turnkey provider through a referral. They don't negotiate prices but align them for investors to begin with. I just simply waited until the right deal was listed on their available properties and made my move.

How did you finance this deal?

Convention loan with 20% down

How did you add value to the deal?

N/A

What was the outcome?

So far so good! Cash flow is coming in!

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Working with a good turnkey provider makes buying your first property a breeze. You still need to be careful and do your due diligence, but if you trust who you are working with it can be a great way to get started and to continue to have a consistent source for deals.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Peter Skaggs at innovativerates.com was my lender and he is great!

Post: New member from Madison, WI

Jake FaheyPosted
  • Investor
  • Fort Collins, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 7

I just found bigger pockets a few weeks ago and I am excited to jump in and get my hands dirty investing in real estate. I'm trying to soak in as much information as possible and educate myself, and this site seems like a great place to get started. My interests at this stage are focused mainly on buy and hold strategies, but I am excited to learn more about ALL of the opportunities that real estate may be able to provide for me.