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All Forum Posts by: Jaiden Olsen

Jaiden Olsen has started 11 posts and replied 135 times.

Post: FIRST DEAL: Seller Financed 6-plex in Ogden, UT

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

@Amy Kendall, I learned a ton and would be happy to help in any way I can. It would probably be a cake walk for you, since you are already an agent!

Post: FIRST DEAL: Seller Financed 6-plex in Ogden, UT

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

@Joshua Paul, It is definitely a C-class property. I looked in Ogden for a long time. There are definitely a lot of areas that I would avoid, but I think we found the best of the not-so-great as far as locations go. I have a property manager that I trust, in place largely for this reason. I don't have a problem renting in areas like this, but my personal preference is to do it with a good property manager.

Post: FIRST DEAL: Seller Financed 6-plex in Ogden, UT

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $525,000
Cash invested: $10,500

This is a seller financed 6-plex in downtown Ogden. Property has very little deferred maintenance. The seller wanted $50k down asking $525k. At that price, the highest offer I could write was $425,000 with $50k down. The offer I submitted was at full asking price with 2% down ($10.5k). When I was deciding how to write my offer I based it on me breaking even. Comps came back at $600k. Therefore, breaking even made sense for me. I offered $525k with 2% down at 4.99% interest only, and he accepted.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

These were my numbers:
Purchase Price: $525,000
Down payment: $10,500
Interest rate: 4.99%
Monthly Payment: $2,139.46
Term: 60 months, with a $5,000 option to extend another 5 years.
Earnest Money: $500
Gross Rents: $3,450 (this is what the seller told me)
Vacancy: 4%
Property Management: 8%
Repairs/Maintenance, Cap Ex: 8%
Utilities: $200/month
Cash-flow: $0/month

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I met the seller at a Northern Utah Real Estate Investors Association (NUREIA) luncheon. I learned that he and his wife were leaving on an LDS mission in March 2019 and that he was looking to step away from a few of properties but wanted to maintain cashflow. Talk about right place right time. Seller financing was a fantastic option for the seller. The seller told me that he would like to sell for $525,000 with $50k down.

How did you finance this deal?

I borrowed the down payment $10.5k from my HELOC on my personal residence. The seller carried back the rest.

How did you add value to the deal?

Rents were low. Units are made up of (3) 1bed/1bath units (rents between $450-$525), (2) 3bed/1.5bath units (rents between $595 and $650), and (1) 2bed/1bath unit (rent at $550). $3450/month gross. We immediately raised rents to $3800/month. Here is where we are at now:

Debt Service: $25,673.55
Gross Operating Income (4% vacancy): $43,776
Total Operating Expenses (Property Taxes, Insurance, 8% PM, 20% Repairs/Maintenance/CapEx): $17,716.44
Annual Cash-flow: $386.01

What was the outcome?

In the next 5 years, my goal is to get rents up to $5k/month. With the interest rate we are getting from the seller, I don't know that I'm too excited to refinance, but if we can get the rents up to $5k/month, we ought to be able to sell for $750k-$800k. If things are going smoothly, and we want to renegotiate terms with the seller, we may exercise our option and keep this in place for another 5 years. We will have to see where things are at in 5 years.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

All-in-all. Not a cash cow right away, but I think we will be able to turn this property around quickly. Rents are still low. Rental comparison suggest we should be closer to $4800/month gross rents, so there is room to grow. Seller Financing is great, but there are challenges. Negotiating is hard. Sometimes it is okay to not cash-flow right away.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I had a ton of people that I talked to about this deal. I couldn't have done it without them and their advice!

Alan Walker
Jacob Howell
Cody Reeder
Dominik Delgado
Mike Lloyd

Post: FIRST DEAL: Seller Financed 6-plex in Ogden, UT

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $525,000
Cash invested: $10,500

This is a seller financed 6-plex in downtown Ogden. Property has very little deferred maintenance. I met the seller at a Northern Utah Real Estate Investors Association (NUREIA) luncheon. I learned that he and his wife were leaving on an LDS mission in March 2019 and that he was looking to step away from a few of properties, but wanted to maintain cashflow. Talk about right place right time. Seller financing was a fantastic option for the seller. The seller told me that he would like to sell for $525,000 with $50k down. I submitted two offers. My first offer was with $50k down. At that price, the highest offer I could write was $425,000. My second offer was at full asking price with 2% down ($10.5k). When I was deciding how to write my offers I based my first offer ($50k down) on a 6% CoCROI because I would have to raise that money and needed to guarantee my investors a minimum return. I wrote my second offer based on me breaking even. I justified this because I could tackle this down payment on my own (no investors) and I wasn't relying on the cash-flow to get into the deal. The comps on this property came back around $600,000, so I knew that right away, I would have equity in the property. Therefore, breaking even made sense for me. In using these two methods for my analysis, I arrived at an interest rate of 4.99% interest only. That is where I had to be in order for my numbers to work (break even). I sent in my offer, and he accepted the 2nd offer! He didn't really need the $50k, and the $2140/month was very appealing to him. We were under contract!

These were my numbers:
Purchase Price: $525,000
Down payment: $10,500
Interest rate: 4.99%
Monthly Payment: $2,139.46
Term: 60 months, with a $5,000 option to extend another 5 years.
Earnest Money: $500
Gross Rents: $3,450 (this is what the seller told me)
Vacancy: 4%
Property Management: 8%
Repairs/Maintenance, Cap Ex: 8%
Utilities: $200/month
Cash-flow: $0/month

Due diligence brought out some interesting things. A boiler unit and 4 water heaters are on their last leg. The sewer main is 80 years old. 4 out of 6 units tested positive for meth (0.88 ug/100cm^3, or below the maximum allowed by the health department). All in all, it was looking like we may have $30k-$40k of repairs that might need to be done in the next few years. Yikes!!

We countered with the seller. I wanted to negotiate my monthly payment down to $1800/month (equivalent to a 4.19% rate). I thought I was being totally reasonable. The seller wouldn't budge. I think he knew that he was giving me a deal on the purchase price, rents are low, and those expenses aren't guaranteed (except for maybe the meth clean-up ~$3000). I was super frustrated, and nervous, and ready to wholesale the deal. After looking at my numbers, again I realized that this property may cost me $400/month if those repairs all hit at once. That number seemed really scary to me at first, in fact, I'm still not super comfortable with it.... but we decided to close anyway. We had already spent a bunch of money during due diligence, and just by closing we would have $75k equity in the property.

My W2 job and my credit limit (fingers crossed I don't have to use it) are acting as security for me to keep this property alive. We closed and this is what we have done since then:

Rents are low. Units are made up of (3) 1bed/1bath units (rents between $450-$525), (2) 3bed/1.5bath units (rents between $595 and $650), and (1) 2bed/1bath unit (rent at $550). We immediately raised rents to $3800/month. Here is what I am planning for the deal:

Debt Service: $25,673.55
Gross Operating Income (4% vacancy): $43,776
Total Operating Expenses (Property Taxes, Insurance, 8% PM, 20% Repairs/Maintenance/CapEx): $17,716.44
Annual Cashflow: $386.01

In the next 5 years, my goal is to get rents up to $5k/month. With the interest rate we are getting from the seller, I don't know that I'm too excited to refinance, but if we can get the rents up to $5k/month, we ought to be able to sell for $750k-$800k. If things are going smoothly, and we want to renegotiate terms with the seller, we may exercise our option and keep this in place for another 5 years. We will have to see where things are at in 5 years.

All-in-all. Not a cash cow right away, but I think we will be able to turn this property around pretty quickly. Rents are still low. Rental comparison suggest we should be closer to $4800/month gross rents, so there is room to grow. Since we are saving pretty much every dollar that comes in, we hope to be able to take care of those expenses as they come along. I don't plan to take a paycheck until there is $12k Capital Reserves in an account, so it may be slow going.

#1stMulti #1stSellerFinance

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I have been looking for a multi-family seller finance deal in Utah, and this one fit the bill.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I met the seller at a NUREIA Luncheon. Right place right time. I determined the sellers needs and then gave him the best that I could do. It worked. Negotiations while under contract were not good.

How did you finance this deal?

I borrowed the down payment $10.5k. The seller carried back the rest.

How did you add value to the deal?

Immediately raised rents.

What was the outcome?

A property that I will be able to hold on to for a long time, with lots of exit strategies in the future.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Negotiating is hard. Meth isn't necessarily a deal killer. Sometimes it is worth not cash-flowing immediately.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I had a ton of people that I talked to about this deal. I couldn't have done it without them and their advice!

Alan Walker
Jacob Howell
Cody Reeder
Dominik Delgado
Mike Lloyd

Post: Owner-Occupied Mortgage PMI - Through Forced Appreciation Only?

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

Robert. I was in a similar situation lats year. We bought our house for $205k in 2015. 1952 rambler in the Greater Salt Lake area with an unfinished basement. We spent $30k updating the place and finishing the basement. It wasn't until after the basement was finished that we were able to get rid of PMI. By spending that $30k, we were able to increase the value of our property to $320k.

In my experience, any mortgage company I've talked to will not rely on market appreciation alone to get rid of PMI.

Here is what I have learned:

  • When listing capital improvements made to the property, and how much you spent, make sure that you account for your time spent making those repairs, or at the very least have a contractor estimate what it would have cost him/her to do it. Often times, an appraiser or broker will just increase your property value by the numbers you give to him/her showing how much you improved the property $$.
  • Get a broker's priced opinion (BPO) rather than an appraisal. BPO is way cheaper. Check with your mortgage company before you do this to make sure they will accept a BPO instead of requiring the property to be reappraised.
  • If the BPO/appraisal comes back showing that you have 20% equity in your property, PMI can likely be removed.
  • If you haven't done capital improvements in excess of 20% of your property value, but your home is still worth more than that based on current markets, you can always refi... but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that.

Post: Self Employed vs. Corporate World?

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

The Grass is always greener on the other side. I've talked to a ton of real estate agents who say something to the effect of, "You are so lucky you have that W2 income! It must be so easy to find money!" But being on the other side of that, I'm thinking, "Man it must be so easy to find deals, you have all the time in the world to focus on this stuff." When it comes down to it, it is a personal decision. Remember that whichever direction you choose, it isn't easy either way. It is still hard work. You can never go wrong investing in  your self. School isn't fun. But I'm a fan of sticking to it. There is no reason you can't pursue your real estate dreams, finish school, get a good job, get experience in a 9-5 job, and pursue the goal of early financial freedom! Good Luck!

Post: Short Term Rentals in Park City Utah

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

@Jordan Hanks, Check out https://www.airdna.co/. I havne't jumped into short term rentals yet, but I have done a lot of research and found this resource to be very valuable.

Post: Determining Pricing on Duplexes

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

@Zachary Jensen, I've found great value in attending the Local REIA's. There is always someone in attendance selling something at a great price. Another way that I've been able to find off market deals is to simply TALK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! People at work, at church, at parties on the weekend, on the bus, post it on social media, etc. I have been super surprised with the information I've been able to gather just from the people I interact with every day. I'll give an example:

I'm working on closing on a property and getting insurance quotes. I talk to lots of insurance agents and give them a brief explanation of what I do and what kind of properties I buy. About two weeks later, one of these insurance agents calls me, out of the blue, and says "Hey last time we talked you told me you buy multi-family properties, would you be interested in looking at 10-12 properties that vary between 4-12 units each? One of my clients is planning to liquidate his rental portfolio and wanted to know if I knew any buyers." Talk about a godsend! We are putting together a portfolio transaction and hopefully we are going to acquire 5-6 of these properties. 

I've found a decent amount of success in just talking to everyone!

Post: Determining Pricing on Duplexes

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

Most anything you find on the MLS will be listed at top dollar. Almost everything that I've seen in the last year, as far as small multi-family along the Wasatch front, has been listed below a 4 CAP.

If you are looking to house hack, I think that your analysis has to change. House hacking is great, but most places that you find in Utah won't cover your mortgage payment, let alone make a profit on. You'd probably be lucky to break even. When I have helped people identify good house hack properties (on the MLS), we have looked at what their PITI would be if they were to go buy a SFR. If that number is $1600/month, then our target for a house hack would be to make their portion of the PITI of the house hack less than $1600/month (accounting for vacancy, repairs, maintenance, etc). It is still a great way to get started, but you will definitely find it challenging along the Wasatch front if your only looking at listed properties.

Post: Davis County, Utah Property Managers

Jaiden OlsenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kaysville, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 120

My recommendations are the same as Nathan's.