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All Forum Posts by: Jad Boudiab

Jad Boudiab has started 4 posts and replied 244 times.

Post: Cleveland Contractor Needed

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
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@Elise Keshock @Richard Hislop @Brad Nowak DM me for Cleveland connections. We have a wide vendor network under our PM division, you can interview and vet to see if there's a fit. Cheers.

Post: Newbie with high income - Invest local or long distance?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Sean Haran:

Hello all! I’m a Bigger Pockets junkie and aspiring investor. I’m 26 years old, working as a solar sales rep on a full commission 1099 pay structure (no hourly/no W2). Income varies month to month from 8-10k per month on a bad month, and have been paid up to 34k on my best month. To make it easy let’s say 250k per year income. No kids so my expenses are low, I am currently saving 75%+ of my income. I know for sure I want to put my cash into real estate, since the tax benefits will be huge for me based on my income and the fact that im not on a W2 salary. 

I live in Los Angeles, where homes are outrageously expensive. My question is whether it’s even worth it to look for investments writhing driving distance (250 miles or so) or if I just need to look out of state. I don’t need immediate cash flow especially if there’s a lot of upside for appreciation or raising rent in the future, but I also don’t want a property that I am losing 500/month on. 


any advice or pointers much appreciated! I am committed to purchasing a property in the next 12 months, hopefully much sooner


 Keep your eye on your cash machine. Keep selling solar, ride out the wave until the market gets too saturated where you're at, then see if another market opens up. Then funnel what you see fit into cash flowing RE.

Going out of state is not a bad play here, you just need the right team on the ground. DM me if you want some references.

Post: Turn Key VOA Property - Too Good To Be True?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

@Joshua Jones fair enough, good call for now. Good luck with your journey.

Post: Turn Key VOA Property - Too Good To Be True?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Joshua Jones:

So I'm brand new to investing.  I paid for the annual subscription to BP and have been analyzing deals like crazy.

Found someone that is a wholesaler for a fix and flip investor.

They have rehabbed a property and filled it with veteran tenants.

The numbers almost seem too good to be true.  I spoke with the wholesaler and checked her reviews.  All seems on the up and up.


Sounds like I would have to get hard money loan for 24 months, then cash out refi to conventional.

Again, almost seems too good to be true, but maybe this is how you find opportunities.

Email from wholesaler on the deal:



These 2 properties are the 5th or 6th of the same business model/investor I've sold now. Basically this investor takes ran down properties, rehabs them, puts vets into them and then gives them to me to sell as cash flowing assets. Once the pair sells and closes he begins on his next 4, & we rinse and repeat.

The quadplex is 100% filled.



Because we have done the exact same business model so many times, we know exactly how the expenses play out along with what these are going to net. I actually just sold and closed on 2 duplexes and a quadplex that was from the same investor, 4 months ago and then the last one 2 months or so ago. Those investors are in line to walk these as well.

Along with the purchase, I can also give a referral for the PM that works with all of these gov. rental programs, which basically guarantees a near almost zero vacancy rate. Another great thing about this particular business model is the fact that it's literally recession-proof! I'll attach the website link for these properties so you can look everything over. I can have the owner put together a P & L as well, if you'd like. I also have the seller that has his own property management company and offered free property management until next year.




If you move on the quadplex and close quick, we will give you the absolute BEST deal we're able to once that 1 is filled and signed. VOA is paying half of the rents on each one, the one tenant is that pays cash is a long time truck driver. We can raise the rents on one unit 521 B it will from $860 to $897 which is an extra $450/yr not including the $400/mo/garage.


And deets from their spreadsheet:

Beds/BaSqftLot SqftYearCAPTypeRehab CostAskingARV$/SF*Rents/RentedVacancy
4/416325445192012.48%Quad$0$255,000$328,146$201.07$3,614Rented

 Joshua, where are you buying this one? I recommend you find a third party, an experienced local agent or a real estate attorney that understands that market well, and get a second point of view on the deal. The more insight you can get on this from people that are NOT the wholesaler who's incentivized to sell you the deal, the better.

Post: Looking for small multifamily (2-4) for $125-$175K range - Hope for Class B?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Quote from @Andrew Northcutt:
Quote from @Jad Boudiab:
Quote from @Andrew Northcutt:

Hey everyone, after shifting around my finances and returning to look for my first rental property, I am looking for a small multi-family property in a lower budget range from $125-175K (smaller % of net worth). Given the range, I am looking in cities that are more affordable but still appealing characteristics/demographics like Columbus, Cleveland, Indy, KC, Memphis, etc. I guess my question is what are the chances that any of these properties will be in or approaching Class B? 

I know that multi-families, even a duplex, triplex, and quadplex, are usually at premiums to SFR given the income and cash flow potential. Therefore, I am assuming that properties in this budget range would be lower quality and in less desirable neighborhoods even in the more affordable cities. Am I thinking about this the right way and what would be the best way of determining the class of properties to balance quality and the lower budget?


 Having dealt with hundreds and currently manage several hundred units for out of state investors I would highly urge you to reconsider your strategy. SFRs outperform MF (duplex-quad) in C areas unless you renovate your units to B quality in C areas and attract better tenants.

Multi-family only outperforms in B areas or better, unless you are local or heavily involved thus finding ways to control more factors.

SFRs average out to have longer tenancies, which decrease your largest expense - vacancy (and turnover repairs). C tenants in MF are paying under $900 in rent, which doesn't necessarily put them in the top earner's bracket nor easiest tenants to deal with.

Can't speak for the other areas mentioned, but the price points you're looking at in Cleveland will not land you quality multifamily (maybe a duplex with some elbow grease) in quality B areas. You will likely be in C, to which if you do, I recommend buying, renovated the units to be nicer than the average C unit condition in that area, then screening for the best tenants you can source.


I appreciate the feedback here! Given this would be a first investment, I do not have experience dealing with tenants and may have overlooked this element. With that said, I plan on utilizing the advice and services of a PM. 

I'm not too keen on the differences in pricing between MF and SFR yet. Currently, I think of buying a duplex as buying 1.5 SFRs from a price and cost perspective. If I switched to look at SFRs in this price range in these areas, would these be considered B Class?

Here's my initial thought process for MFs in the lower budget range:

MF will maximize my cash flow for my budget range. I don't want to have to buy a ton of doors to earn the same cash flow potential as fewer multi-family properties. However, my lower budget range ensures that I can have sufficient cash reserves for maintenance, repairs, and emergencies as well as a much easier path to fund an additional down payment to scale and avoid putting all my eggs in one rental property. 

Perhaps the answer is to save more for a higher priced and quality property, but again, that I think that means more time in between purchases.


You can get an SFR in B areas for this price point, yes. You can also get an SFR in C areas for less, around $100k right now, that would rent around $1,250/mo. This is as of Aug 2023 Cleveland market.

Both should prove more profitable in the long-term compared to C area MF, and to your comment about hiring a PM, this is based on real data from my PM portfolio. That's not to say that a MF investor can't be profitable, we have many of that, but there's a clear distinction between performance of MF in B vs C areas. C area MF does ok when you fully renovate and harden up the unit.

A rental investor's biggest cost is actually vacancy and turnovers, if you can minimize that by being in SFR assets that attract less transient and more long-term tenants, you should realize consistent returns with less bumps along the way.

Post: Cleveland electric inspection for a house standing vacant over a year

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Quote from @Yaniv Sigler:

Hi

Does anyone know how long it takes to get an inspector out to check the electric so we can connect a house after it’s been vacant for a year?


 If this is in Cleveland proper, you will need to call the electric company for a service order number, then hire a licensed electrician to pull a permit and submit the SO# with the permit. The electrician would handle calling out the inspector after inspecting and certifying themselves. Takes 2-3 weeks for this whole process.

Post: Reliable Property Management Referral needed for Cleveland Property

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Quote from @Nikki Dupoux St Jean:

Hi All, Does anyone know of a good property management company they could refer me for Cleveland Ohio? One that will have someone actually pick up the phone.


 Shoot me a DM, happy to connect you with our Cleveland PM team. Every client gets a direct point of contact who can call / text / email same-day.

Post: Looking for small multifamily (2-4) for $125-$175K range - Hope for Class B?

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248
Quote from @Andrew Northcutt:

Hey everyone, after shifting around my finances and returning to look for my first rental property, I am looking for a small multi-family property in a lower budget range from $125-175K (smaller % of net worth). Given the range, I am looking in cities that are more affordable but still appealing characteristics/demographics like Columbus, Cleveland, Indy, KC, Memphis, etc. I guess my question is what are the chances that any of these properties will be in or approaching Class B? 

I know that multi-families, even a duplex, triplex, and quadplex, are usually at premiums to SFR given the income and cash flow potential. Therefore, I am assuming that properties in this budget range would be lower quality and in less desirable neighborhoods even in the more affordable cities. Am I thinking about this the right way and what would be the best way of determining the class of properties to balance quality and the lower budget?


 Having dealt with hundreds and currently manage several hundred units for out of state investors I would highly urge you to reconsider your strategy. SFRs outperform MF (duplex-quad) in C areas unless you renovate your units to B quality in C areas and attract better tenants.

Multi-family only outperforms in B areas or better, unless you are local or heavily involved thus finding ways to control more factors.

SFRs average out to have longer tenancies, which decrease your largest expense - vacancy (and turnover repairs). C tenants in MF are paying under $900 in rent, which doesn't necessarily put them in the top earner's bracket nor easiest tenants to deal with.

Can't speak for the other areas mentioned, but the price points you're looking at in Cleveland will not land you quality multifamily (maybe a duplex with some elbow grease) in quality B areas. You will likely be in C, to which if you do, I recommend buying, renovated the units to be nicer than the average C unit condition in that area, then screening for the best tenants you can source.

Post: exterminator need in East Cleveland

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 248

Try Express Pest Control, easy to find on Google. I'm not sure if they're still going to East Cleveland, but they've done a ton of work for us in the past on both sides of town and may be able to help.

Post: Losing Money In Cleveland

Jad BoudiabPosted
  • Real Estate Broker
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Eva Chora:

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and insights. I'm wondering if it would even make sense to make some upgrades in the units to try and garner more rent and/or a better kind of tenant. Does it make sense to do that in a C class neighborhood?

Is any one familiar with these zip codes? 

44144

44111

 @Eva Chora my guess is you're bleeding out due to maintenance and turnovers.

On the bright side, turnovers are a good reset, it's a good time to properly inspect a unit and prep it for a new resident. I would agree with @James Maradits here and say that your level of rehab directly impacts the length of time the unit sits on the market, the quality of the renter it attracts, and the rent amount you achieve. This market is no different. Once occupied, your PM team should have a renewal / retention program in place to try and keep your residents in the units for at least two years, and longer.

Now, I would advise a thorough inspection to help you assess the condition, followed by cosmetic updates with the unit turn, and even addressing the items that are constantly costing you money - leaky faucets, drains, HVAC servicing. If a unit is occupied and the repairs are non-essential, I would ask the PM to hold off on them and only focus on items you're responsible for as a landlord. If the repairs are for damages caused by the tenant, your PM should be billing those repairs to the tenants.

If the inspections show far too many repairs are needed, I would engage a real estate professional to give you an idea of valuation and net proceeds, to assess whether you should sell.

Happy to intro you with our PM and/or realty team to see if they can help. You will want to communicate clear expectations with whomever you deal with on the situation, the state of the portfolio, and your desired outcome. Without knowing the exact location of the two Cleveland properties, I know the two zip codes should be producing results, there's plenty of rental demand, so long as you pay attention to your maintenance and tenant retention.