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All Forum Posts by: Jacob Laginess

Jacob Laginess has started 4 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Is this normal from a property manager?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Jacob Laginess how did you get involved with an unethical PMC that is adding stuff NOT in their management contract?

FIRE THEM!

Choose wiser:

Even if someone give you a referral, don’t make the mistake of assuming that PMC will meet your expectations, just because they met the expectations of the referral source.

We also can’t believe how many owners hire the first PMC they speak with!

Then they complain their expectations aren’t being met!

In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator – and they often select the first PMC they call!

So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

We have a 14-page management contract that we've added our real experiences to over the years, with the intent of protecting both us AND the landlord. Beyond the Monthly Management, Placement & Maintenance fees, all other fees in our contract are IF EVENT -> THEN fees.

We don’t know any PMCs to recommend in the area mentioned, but since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about “How to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenant”:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3094/91877-how-to-screen-a-pmc-better-than-a-tenant-part-1-services-and-processes

We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊

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 Yeah, this was the first one that I hired. I did look at a few other companies, but all the contracts seemed comparable (and these fees were not disclosed in the management agreement) and they were active on the BP forums so I figured they would be good. Ah well, you live and learn, time to move on. 

Post: Is this normal from a property manager?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Jacob Laginess:

Have you read your Property Management agreement? All fees should be disclosed. If it's not disclosed, push back. If it's in the agreement, then you have to accept it or coordinate the repair yourself.


The fee is definitely not in the agreement, in any way shape or form. I tried to call them on it and got pushback. Now I have to figure out how to get out of the agreement to get a different company in there based on my current PMs breach of contract. We'll see how that goes...

Post: Is this normal from a property manager?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Jon Kelly:

@Jacob Laginess what's the 25% fee for? what justification do they have for charging it? 25% seems egregious on top of the fact it's not in your PM agreement. 

You never want to be quick to drop someone (agent, PM, accountant, etc.), but I would at least interview 2-3 other PM companies to have them on standby. 

They said it's for "project management". There have been other things, too (accounting mistakes, extra fees for other things), so I'm about done with them.

Post: Is this normal from a property manager?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8

I have a property that needs some roof work completed. My PM contacted me about it, and said that, with their "25% management fee", the repair cost would be $X,XXX. Is that normal to charge an additional fee on top of my normal, monthly 10% of rent collected? It's not disclosed in the management agreement (nor are the other fees they tack on just for responding to a resident's request...), and I tried fighting them on it but they wont budge. I have another PM in a different stated that has helped me immensely with another property and hasn't charged anything above the monthly amount, so I'm just not sure if I'm extremely lucky in one case and normal in the other, or vice versa.   

Post: Does this make sense?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Erica Osborn:

@Jacob Laginess

Hey Jacob! I'm a Pensacola property owner too. I'm long distance and a military family! I have a great PM recommendation that has been awesome for me and my properties. Realty Masters, my personal PM is Lauren Claudio and I would highly recommend them!

 Thanks for the referral, I'll have to look into it. I'm really leaning towards getting a PM just to make life easier. 

Post: Does this make sense?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Jonathan Styer:

One of the great things about Real Estate as an investment vehicle is your ability to leverage your cash. If you're increasing your P&I by $200 you're still doing well cashflow wise and now you have an extra $40k to purchase more properties that will also cashflow. Seems like a no brainer to keep it and do a cashout refi right now while rates are low. Finding a good PM will most likely help to ease the concern of being an OOS landlord as well. 

Yeah, I think that I can increase my cash flow by more than $400 (at least) to offset that increase in P&I, so I'm leaning towards doing it. I've already contacted a few mortgage companies. The only flaw in my original idea is that I can't do a VA cash-out refinance, since I no longer live in the house.

I'm definitely looking at a PM now, I think that'll make my life a lot easier. 

Post: Does this make sense?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Originally posted by @Doug Spence:

@Jacob Laginess If you sold or refinanced, what would you do with the money? If you plan to invest it that money, would the return on that investment be better than your return on this Pensacola house?

I would use the money to buy more real estate. My initial plan was to have all of my rentals be close to me (I live in Ohio), but now I'm starting to consider investing more in Florida. Since I'm active military, I've been able to keep my Florida residency and thus no state income taxes. I imagine that, if I start investing in Ohio, I'll have to start filing taxes in Ohio for any properties that I own here. 

Post: Does this make sense?

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8

Not sure if this is in the right place, since it's not a true BRRRR, but it closely resembles that...

I own a rental in the Pensacola, Florida area (I live in Ohio, it used to be my primary residence over 10 years ago).  I've been wanting to sell it because it's gone up in value and I'm tired of being an out of town landlord, and I figured it'd be nice to take my equity and re-invest it. However, my tenants just renewed their lease, so I'm looking at another year of collecting easy rent checks. 

Anyway, I thought about looking into doing a cash-out refinance to go ahead and tap some of that equity while keeping the rent checks coming (I'm probably also going to look into a property manager, but that's a different discussion).  Here's what I'm looking at, as far as numbers go:

Current Mortgage balance: ~$120,000 / Current House Value: $~200,000

Current Rent: $1,450

Mortgage (P&I): $580

Monthly Escrow: $150

If I refinance, it's looking like it could increase my monthly P&I by roughtly $150-$200. The current loan is a VA loan, so I'm additionally debating between keeping it a VA loan or transitioning to a conventional loan.


Any thoughts/advice?

Post: PM needed in Milton/Pensacola FL

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8

Hi,

Did you ever find a PM in Milton? I might be looking for one in the near future. Thanks!

-Jake

Post: New Investor in Toledo!

Jacob LaginessPosted
  • Toledo, OH
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8

Right now, mostly single family or up to a quad plex. We'll see where that takes me!