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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 4 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Flip Gone Wrong- Advice Wanted!

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Marc Rice:
Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey everyone, I wanted to get some advice on a house flip I have done over the last year in Madison, TN. This was my first flip, that I financed with a hard money loan. The finished house is a 3/2 that now looks really great, but the project has dragged on for a long time and has me in a tight spot. I purchased it in October of '22 for $266k with a targeted exit at $460k, and it has just recently been completed. It was a large flip project (original budget was $110k renovation costs) that went way over the planned rehab time as I had many issues with the GC I used. The original exit was to sell, but with the slowing market I would be lucky to sell for $440-450k at a $50-60k loss. I'm thinking about options going forward, and am hoping for advice for the following. Do I?

A. Leave it on the market this winter and keep paying an interest only hard money loan, with high monthly payments, hoping it will             sell?

B. Get a 5 year 70% LTV DSCR ARM loan interest only at 8.75% and rent it out for minimal cash flow, hoping the value will go up after 5 years? This lender requires paying points selling before five years, so it doesn't seem to be the best option.

C. Some other Investor loan product I haven't come across yet. 

D. None of the above- creative solutions I haven't thought about yet. 

Any advice would be appreciated. The biggest thing I have learned on this journey has been just how strict you need to be with GC's. I'm sure there are great one's out there, but I needed to be way quicker to fire mine. 

 How's it going with this @Account Closed? Did you opt to sell, refi-rent, lease-option sale, or another strategy?


After crunching the numbers (and having a hard time getting a DSCR loan at 80%) we decided to hold on to it to sell. It's been on the market for some time now. Market is picking up generally in the area and I'm hoping it sells in the near future

Post: Insurance relocation specialist

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13

Hi Bruce! I have my property listed with a few insurance relocation specialists. Most of them have a "list my property" section on their website, where you can register your property with them. They will simply call you when they want to use their property. You can simply google "insurance relocation companies"- ALE is the most common, but there are many more. 

Post: Flip Gone Wrong- Advice Wanted!

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Bill B.:

Can you sell your current home and move there?

Can you sell with seller financing for a little more?

Can you rent for a little more with an option to buy?


To answer the first question, I am military and out of the country for the next 7 months, so living there isn't an option in the near term. I have had a lender guide me in the conventional loan direction, which I could then rent out likely as a Midterm rental. Still a little confused as to why DSCR would be a better option, as conventional would have slightly lower rates. Next, I supposed I would consider seller financing... maybe this would be an option to advertise to investors. Option 3 may work in the specific location as well, as its "up and coming." Do you have a specific way you would advertise this to renters, other than putting it in the rental description? Thanks!

Post: Flip Gone Wrong- Advice Wanted!

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jack Von Kleeck

I would determine what is a better investment- holding this for five years assuming no appreciation or selling it at a loss and taking any funds you have remaining and reinvest it in something else? If your returns are less than 5% you could invest in t bills with no work and risk

As others, it depends on- but that is what I would do


 That's a good point, a 5 year loan won't be much help, especially if I am not paying down the principle. 

Post: Flip Gone Wrong- Advice Wanted!

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Andy Sabisch:

As Jay said, you need to be honest with yourself as to where getting out from under the project at the current conditions will be a financial hit you can't afford.  Interest rates are not coming back to 2021 levels for a while and all the experts expect 2024 to be an even slower real estate market. 

Hate to see people with their first flip wind up underwater but unfortunately you are not alone in that regard.  Cutting your teeth on a smaller budget property that required minimal work would have put less at risk and while the profit would have been less, you would have gained experience in working with the trades and developing a realistic budget and timeline that would have helped on a bigger project like you took on.  I have seen local first-time investors pass on smaller projects and swing for the fences so to speak taking on a project we passed on and they all lost money with the market today.  Properties are not selling like they were and the slowing will continue for a while.

If you can tolerate a loss, sell and move on wiser than you were.  If not, check with local lenders (community banks, etc.) and see if they have a better option than the lenders you are dealing with.  We deal with a local bank that makes the process painless and simple - one phone call gets the entire process started.  The HMLs and larger lenders have criteria you need to fit inside and rates that ensure they make the money they need on a deal.  They have their place but you may find that if you have good credit and a completed property a local lender can be more flexible.

Good luck and make sure you keep the lessons learned close to the heart moving forward.


Andy I appreciate the response. I totally agree I should have started with a smaller flip. My main concern is the monthly HML payment is now fairly large after having to extend it past its original maturity. Having it sit on the market for months like this could potentially drain me, financially. Another option I am considering is a bridge loan, to use for a shorter period of time before the market will likely pick up (just slightly) in the summer. Do you see these loans as being an effective tool?

Post: Flip Gone Wrong- Advice Wanted!

Account ClosedPosted
  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13

Hey everyone, I wanted to get some advice on a house flip I have done over the last year in Madison, TN. This was my first flip, that I financed with a hard money loan. The finished house is a 3/2 that now looks really great, but the project has dragged on for a long time and has me in a tight spot. I purchased it in October of '22 for $266k with a targeted exit at $460k, and it has just recently been completed. It was a large flip project (original budget was $110k renovation costs) that went way over the planned rehab time as I had many issues with the GC I used. The original exit was to sell, but with the slowing market I would be lucky to sell for $440-450k at a $50-60k loss. I'm thinking about options going forward, and am hoping for advice for the following. Do I?

A. Leave it on the market this winter and keep paying an interest only hard money loan, with high monthly payments, hoping it will             sell?

B. Get a 5 year 70% LTV DSCR ARM loan interest only at 8.75% and rent it out for minimal cash flow, hoping the value will go up after 5 years? This lender requires paying points selling before five years, so it doesn't seem to be the best option.

C. Some other Investor loan product I haven't come across yet. 

D. None of the above- creative solutions I haven't thought about yet. 

Any advice would be appreciated. The biggest thing I have learned on this journey has been just how strict you need to be with GC's. I'm sure there are great one's out there, but I needed to be way quicker to fire mine. 

Post: Destin Condo Buy and Hold / STR

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  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13
Quote from @Duane Richards:

Awesome experience! I purchased my first STR in Orlando last year, and with some modest success, I've been looking for another market and have considered Destin. What are the market conditions looking like at the moment? I'm imagining the demand for rentals there is still high for STR nights booked.

 I've been out of the market for six months now, and probably can't give as good an answer as @Matt "Roar" Gardner could, but it certainly seems to have outperformed other popular STR markets despite the uncertain economy. Prices are higher like any market, but there are still good returns to be had. 2021 brought unprecedented levels of travel to the area, and it didn't slow down much in 2022. I'm looking into getting another rental in the area in the near future.

Post: Destin Condo Buy and Hold / STR

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  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13

@Matt "Roar" Gardner I pocketed a little over $50k in just over 6 months. Great numbers for a 970 sqft 2 bedroom condo! I think some of it was due to the extraordinary demand in the summer of 2021 post Covid, but it's still a great market and one I want to get back in to. 

Post: Destin Condo Buy and Hold / STR

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  • Destin, FL
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Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $266,000
Cash invested: $9,400
Sale price: $450,000

I purchased this condo in Destin using a VA loan, in the Spring of 2021, putting in just over $9,000 of closing costs. I lived in it for about a year, renting it out on Airbnb for a few months before selling for a profit of nearly $160,000 16 months later. Although the timing of the market played in my favor, the momentum this initial sale gave me was very motivating to continue my real estate journey!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I knew condos did fairly well in the Destin area, despite the bad rap they often get from real estate investors.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal through a stellar Destin real estate agent who connected me to the right property.

How did you finance this deal?

I financed this with a VA Loan.

How did you add value to the deal?

Before moving, I put in new floors, paint, and furniture in order to charge top dollar.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Being an Airbnb host can be a very time consuming job- if you aren't hiring out management it seems like you always need to be near your phone. However having systems in place to ensure you guests are happy and questions are answered in advance can reduce this drastically.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I worked with Matt Gardner, a stellar real estate agent in the panhandle I recommend time and time again!

Post: Destin Condo Buy and Hold / STR

Account ClosedPosted
  • Investor
  • Destin, FL
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 13

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $266,000
Cash invested: $9,400
Sale price: $450,000

This was my first real estate purchase, nearly a year after graduating college. I purchased this condo in Destin using a VA loan, in the Spring of 2021, putting in just over $9,000 of closing costs. I lived in it for about a year, renting it out on Airbnb for a few months before selling for a profit of nearly $160,000 16 months later. I also gained valuable Airbnb hosting experience after moving out as my personal residence.
Although I got very lucky with the market timing, this initial success in real estate has provided me with some great momentum and motivation to keep the journey moving!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I knew condos did fairly well in the Destin area, despite the bad rap they often get from real estate investors.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found this deal through a stellar Destin real estate agent who connected me to the right property.

How did you finance this deal?

I financed this with a VA Loan.

How did you add value to the deal?

Before moving, I put in new floors, paint, and furniture in order to charge top dollar.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Being an Airbnb host can be a very time consuming job- if you aren't hiring out management it seems like you always need to be near your phone. However having systems in place to ensure you guests are happy and questions are answered in advance can reduce this drastically.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I worked with Matt Gardner, a stellar real estate agent in the panhandle I recommend time and time again!