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All Forum Posts by: Jack Seiden

Jack Seiden has started 31 posts and replied 796 times.

Post: Washington D.C. Prices Are In The DOGE House - Are Prices Dropping ?

Jack Seiden
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Quote from @Chris Martin:

My brother was a White House PIF under the first trump administration. He owned property in San Jose but in DC he rented for 3+ years. Most administration officials rent when they move to DC because they know they may be there for 4-years or a lot less. Possibly just one (or a few) Scaramucci.  Ha. It happens (more frequently with trump) 

DC is a land for renters, specifically geared for an influx of administration appointees and staff. So the premise "prices are dropping rather substantially in Washington D.C. related to layoffs." lacks merit in my 'blink' (think the book 'blink' - I am old) moment. See chart below. 

My guess is upon big terminations is there will be a lot of leases terminating early (?) and the only question in my mind is if the landlords will be able to re-rent quickly or if there will be some kind of a 'black swan' event when rentals in DC become completely unaffordable/unattractive. My guess: unlikely. DC is always in demand. Until democracy and the US collapses, DC housing will stay in demand. 

Note: I am an outsider with no investment in DC and no doge in the fight;) 

The other thing you will see on the rental side at least in our suburbs, is induced demand if rental prices were to fall even a little, you have many people living at home, in places that are too small, whatever. If there is any drop in prices people currently priced out will jump in & rent. Also D.C. is not really a government town per se’ it’s much more similar to Boston, New York etc, and actually cheaper than those areas. People will continue moving to the area because it’s a nice place to live. The only place I at all worry about from a rental standpoint is city proper just because it got a little overbuilt and there are tons of condos that can’t sell & will be turned into rental’s but that’s mostly a pre-existing condition, though I suppose layoffs could make that situation worse. But our suburbs are some of the most desirable places to live in the country having nothing to do with federal jobs.

Post: Washington D.C. Prices Are In The DOGE House - Are Prices Dropping ?

Jack Seiden
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Quote from @Ken M.:
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jack Seiden exactly. My neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods have rarely had a home listed last 3 years and when it is it’s pending within a week.

Exactly, everyone taking about this clearly also doesn’t live in the area if they think it’s a company town, I cannot think of anyone I know that has two government employees in their household, and most government employees I know could easily get a good job in the private sector. It’s very hard for me to see almost anyone I can think of giving up thier mortgage that’s cheaper than renting in most cases because of acute financial distress, certainly the region could feel pain as people cut back in other ways like eating out, travel etc. but the number of people who will be forced to sell I suspect is in the low single digits.
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I don't live there, I don't buy there. But:
Talk is that over 200,000 probationary government employees, 14,000 permanent US AID employees, thousands of IRS employees, thousands of Dept Of Education employees and a long list of other departments are about to or have gotten more thousands of layoff notices. What is being reported is that outside of those numbers, an additional 70,000 government employees have already selected an early buyout rather than get fired or have to go back to the office. 

Are there really that many available high paying jobs in the area to absorb these people?

So only about 15% of the federal government works in the dc metro area, only about 20% of the metro area works for the federal government, obviously if every single job that was cut was in the dc region, we’d be screwed, but again only 15% of the federal work force is here. And getting entirely into speculation if doge really wants to cut the federal work force, an idea I’m not totally opposed to, centralizing operations and closing your Cleveland field office, or your St. Louis branch makes a more sense than cutting jobs in your central location.

I agree that the job cuts are being spread around. I think it has been mentioned to move entire centers of Departments "out" of D.C. to midwestern states to get the concentration of power shifted away and more diverse. It would make lobbyists jobs more challenging. ;-)

But regarding the D.C. market 

From old "legacy news" station:
(so, I can't be sure of it's accuracy)
"President Donald Trump’s moves to fire thousands of federal government workers have coincided with a surge in jobless claims in Washington, D.C., that could get worse as the efforts intensify.

Since Trump has taken office, nearly 4,000 workers in the city have filed for unemployment insurance as part of a surge that began at the start of the new year, according to Labor Department figures not adjusted for seasonal factors."

In all, just shy of 7,000 claims have been filed in the six weeks of the new year, 

or about 55% more than in the prior six-week period."

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I think it's probably not the high end positions as of now, it's probably positions where it takes two incomes in the family to make ends meet. Losing one of those positions makes a big impact of families in that income group. On top of that, if people have to start paying for child care while they go back to the office, even if they have two incomes, it's like losing an income.

I think the cuts have to be made, but I think it will also add inventory to the housing market as people decide they just can't afford D.C. or it's suburbs anymore.


 So again I don’t disagree that there will be elevated unemployment in the dc area, I don’t even disagree it’s possible you see a spike in inventory (though no evidence of that yet) in fact I’ve been saying on the forms for years I think some people have been to confident in areas real estate market, I was maybe the only person on here who saw what was going on in dc city proper when prices did fall about 20% 3 years ago. So I’m not saying that we might not see some weakness, but people really underestimate how hard people will fight not to sell thier house, especially if they have a sub 3-4% mortgage, it would actually increase their payments to move, the vast majority of people I know could make ends meet on one salary & certainly one salary + some getting even a job they were overqualified for, people here especially in the areas being cited are by in large extremely well off with large savings and have plenty of area where they could cut back, eating out travel etc, I do worry about some of our less affluent counties & some areas where remote workers moved, but the core of dc would have a large, likey years long buffer before they would be forced to sell. For better or worse everyone online complaining about how rich dc is which is absolutely true, will be the thing that saves us.

Post: Washington D.C. Prices Are In The DOGE House - Are Prices Dropping ?

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Quote from @Ken M.:
Quote from @Jack Seiden:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jack Seiden exactly. My neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods have rarely had a home listed last 3 years and when it is it’s pending within a week.

Exactly, everyone taking about this clearly also doesn’t live in the area if they think it’s a company town, I cannot think of anyone I know that has two government employees in their household, and most government employees I know could easily get a good job in the private sector. It’s very hard for me to see almost anyone I can think of giving up thier mortgage that’s cheaper than renting in most cases because of acute financial distress, certainly the region could feel pain as people cut back in other ways like eating out, travel etc. but the number of people who will be forced to sell I suspect is in the low single digits.
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I don't live there, I don't buy there. But:
Talk is that over 200,000 probationary government employees, 14,000 permanent US AID employees, thousands of IRS employees, thousands of Dept Of Education employees and a long list of other departments are about to or have gotten more thousands of layoff notices. What is being reported is that outside of those numbers, an additional 70,000 government employees have already selected an early buyout rather than get fired or have to go back to the office. 

Are there really that many available high paying jobs in the area to absorb these people?

So only about 15% of the federal government works in the dc metro area, only about 20% of the metro area works for the federal government, obviously if every single job that was cut was in the dc region, we’d be screwed, but again only 15% of the federal work force is here. And getting entirely into speculation if doge really wants to cut the federal work force, an idea I’m not totally opposed to, centralizing operations and closing your Cleveland field office, or your St. Louis branch makes a more sense than cutting jobs in your central location.

Post: Transitioning existing properties into long term rentals

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Quote from @Danny Johnson:

I purchased 2 condos so that my two married daughters had a place to live.  They are paying me rent directly.  I purchase the properties as a non-occupant coborrower.  My name and my daughter’s name(s) are also in title and the loan.

I have really good equity in both properties (six figure) with great interest rates.

At some point my daughters and their husbands will move out to upgrade to something bigger.

I want to turn these properties into investment properties after my daughters move out:  thinking the best way is to convert in my name only.

Also considering leveraging the equity in the properties to help buy new homes/townhomes for my daughters when they are ready as well.

Wondering what the best strategies would be for me to expand property portfolio, minimize tax impact , create more passive income while continuing to help my family grow.


I appreciate any advice!


 You don’t need to transfer out of your daughter’s name to rent? You just need to work out the rent proceeds with your daughter.

Post: Washington D.C. Prices Are In The DOGE House - Are Prices Dropping ?

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jack Seiden exactly. My neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods have rarely had a home listed last 3 years and when it is it’s pending within a week.

Exactly, everyone taking about this clearly also doesn’t live in the area if they think it’s a company town, I cannot think of anyone I know that has two government employees in their household, and most government employees I know could easily get a good job in the private sector. It’s very hard for me to see almost anyone I can think of giving up thier mortgage that’s cheaper than renting in most cases because of acute financial distress, certainly the region could feel pain as people cut back in other ways like eating out, travel etc. but the number of people who will be forced to sell I suspect is in the low single digits.

Post: Washington D.C. Prices Are In The DOGE House - Are Prices Dropping ?

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Quote from @Ken M.:

The report is that prices are dropping rather substantially in Washington D.C. related to layoffs.

Article:
In November, the median home in the nation's capital was worth $699,000, according to Redfin.

By February, the median home value dropped 20 percent, bringing the price down to $560,000.

TKL found there are now nearly 8,000 homes listed for sale in the Washington, DC metro area, and almost half of them have been put on the market in the last 30 days.

The tax-collecting Internal Revenue Service is preparing to fire thousands of workers next week"

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Comment: 

Save The IRS  - said no one, ever

This is just  completely made up you can see inventory here, it grew during the summer, and is actually falling now. Even if you were to see this type of drop which I highly, I highly doubt, do you really you would see it less a month into trumps administration before any of the layoffs have even started? 

Post: DC realtors, give me the real info on the housing market right now

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Quote from @Bruce Lynn:

I can't believe the market would have changed in 2-3 weeks.

If DOGE continues it certainly might change.  Downsizing a one factory town.

I would expect if FedGov downsizes, a lot of the corresponding periphery businesses/consulting firms, etc shut down.

There has also been talk of such things like FBI moving out of Washington, I think some of that has already been the trend, but may accelerate.  Isn't CBP moving most of HDQ to Texas?  If I remember right about 1/2 of FBI HDQ staff is in Birmingham.  They need a new HDQ and previously looking for space in DC, but some talk of moving it to someplace cheaper.  

So over the long term, I think it certainly could affect home and commercial prices.


 This idea dc is a company town isn’t really true & the company isn’t going out of business, 20% of the workforce is federal government, if they cut 25% of the federal workforce it would be 5% of the region and of course the vast majority are of these people would get jobs in the private sector, not to mention the government will probably have to rely more heavily on government contractors to fill gaps where the cut.

Post: DC realtors, give me the real info on the housing market right now

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Quote from @Peter Tverdov:

There are many popular social media posts right now portraying that DC homes are going up for sale all over the place because of DOGE cuts. While it seems possible thats true, people doing this are screen shotting stuff from Zillow. Someone out there must study those submarkets pretty heavily and can explain how housing stock has changed or not changed month over month the last few months...

 This chart I thinks shows it best, inventory does increase over last summer/fall though still well below historic norms, but it actually starts coming down over the winter. 

Post: DC realtors, give me the real info on the housing market right now

Jack Seiden
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Quote from @Peter Tverdov:

There are many popular social media posts right now portraying that DC homes are going up for sale all over the place because of DOGE cuts. While it seems possible thats true, people doing this are screen shotting stuff from Zillow. Someone out there must study those submarkets pretty heavily and can explain how housing stock has changed or not changed month over month the last few months...


 City proper has been on 5 year bear market completely unrelated to anything political, the suburbs have been adding inventory since the summer but are still very low but any measure and have actually gotten tighter the last few month, while I am open to the idea these cuts could eventually have some effect on the market, about 20% of the dc area is federal employees, let’s say the federal government cut the work force 25% which would be huge, that’s 5% of the population, but a good number of those people are either two income households where one person works in the private and/or the person being laid can go get a similar job in the provide sector l, the percentage of households who would be forced to sell thier house over this is likely in very low single digits. I’m certainly not. Always a cheerleader for our local market & think we face many headwind, but this is is massively overblown in my opinion and certainly there is absolutely no data that we have seen an effect from this as of yet, again if anything our suburbs inventory has gotten tighter.

Post: First time home buyer in Northern Virginia

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Quote from @Mark Taggart-Perez:

@Jack Seiden I appreciate your insights! I wasn't aware of the law requiring a contract with an agent. I'll have to look into that more! I plan to stay in this general area for at least the next 20 years and think buying real estate would be a great way to diversify my investment portfolio.

So in almost any scenario you will come ahead buying vs renting over twenty years probably well less than half of that, but the investment you are making is a long term investment you probably won’t be able to leave after a year or two and rent for more than your mortgage, I’d really think about where you want to live medium-long term, than any investment metric, because the longer you stay the better the investment looks, and if you can move out sooner great, but I’d guess at minimum you’d have to stay 5 years before rents would catch up to your mortgage.