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All Forum Posts by: Jack Plantin

Jack Plantin has started 12 posts and replied 58 times.

@Jamie Kammers I am also interested in a SFR in Joliet area. What price points do you think are fair around there to get $900 a month in rent? Also are you doing 20% down or buying with cash and rehabbing?

Post: Best way to start out

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Buy a house near your university and rent out all of the rooms to your friends or other university students. 

Originally posted by @Josh Feldman:

@Jack Plantin we started by looking at areas where we could get high rents with low purchase price. We wanted to buy and rehab with cash (my partner and I split 50/50) and we were set on BRRRR technique to build our portfolio. We actually signed up with a lot of turnkey rental companies that sent us turnkey rentals in the midwest (again, best rents with lowest all in costs), and used the areas that they sent us as a starting place. we narrowed it down further by looking for residential areas outside of major cities, within 30 minute commuting distance, and then narrowed it down even further by only looking at city suburbs that have great school districts. After all that, we had 3 or 4 towns that we really liked, and just started networking with professionals in that specific area.

Ultimately we used the turnkey rental companies to show us where in the midwest that the rents were high and the costs were low and we just narrowed it down from there.

Our deal finder is different from our broker. our deal finder is also our project manager; our broker was there to help us with the remote closing and we were able to negotiate her commission. she also gave us connects to contractors that she likes. Our broker also runs a rehab oversight company that we used (she and her husband have construction background), which mediates the rehab with the contractors and follows up weekly to make sure the scope of work is actually achieved, sending us pictures and verifying everything is done correctly and timely. HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS if you are doing out of state flipping/brrrring.

Also definitely recommend the long distance investing book. he gives you step by step instructions how to build a team at a distance and outlines exactly what to say to who in order to get the maximum results. 

Good luck and let me know if i can answer any other questions!

Very cool, I think I've seen other people mention turnkey websites like roofstock to find good areas. Very helpful. You and your partner split the cash 50/50, why invest your own cash instead of taking out a HML? And how did you and Kwon split responsibilities for this project if you're both outside of IN? How are you splitting profits? Sorry if I'm prying too much.

I'm going to send you a PM about Shelbyville since I am just a few hours away, might be a good area to start as well.

Originally posted by @Antonio Cucciniello:

@Jack Plantin He gets cash flow and then when we cash out, he gets his money back but still gets the cash flow.  He gets lifetime cash flow for a short term loan.

It sounds like you just are not confident in your ability to get a good deal for them.  If God came and said to you, "Hey Jack, buy this property with your friends money, he will get a 10% return... would you do it?" 

 That's right, I have lots of hesitation. That's a good point, yeah I'd absolutely do it if I knew they would make money. Will continue to learn more about finding below market deals, then pull the trigger when I've built up some more confidence. Thanks Antonio! 

This is probably a dumb question, but how do you make cash offers if the funds are in your partner's account? Most realtors/owners will certainly ask for proof of funds before considering an offer. Or does he front you the funds before you even find deals?

Originally posted by @Antonio Cucciniello:
Originally posted by @Jack Plantin:

Good job Antonio. Quick question. Why would your partner cosign with you on his cash out refinance instead of just giving you the cash straight up? Does this mean you are also responsible for his mortgage on his primary property in case something about your current investment ($140k cash) goes bad?

A friend with an 80k HELOC has thrown around the idea of using it to partner with me and pay for a house/rehab if I find a deal, but I wouldn't be comfortable letting him put his house as collateral to partner on an investment property that he'll never touch/see.

How does this partnership work? What's in it for him?

These are all great questions.  The reason why I needed to cosign was I have a W-2 job and he is self-employed so it was difficult to get the loan during covid-19 as restrictions tightened up.  He gets 50% of the profit, I am doing all the work when it comes to managing. Does that answer your question? 

I am curious why you don't want your friend who is willing to hand you money to purchase a property help you? Is this something you are scared of?

Yeah, I guess I am afraid of being basically fully responsible for his investment, at least until I get more experience and knowledge in flipping/renting. If I borrow his 80k to buy a house for 50k and fix up for 30k and it ends up only making 5k profit, then I imagine he would be pretty disappointed. But I guess that depends on his risk tolerance, does he want a guaranteed payback like a 15% interest only HML or does he want 50% of the profit whatever it is (sorry just thinking out loud).

Do you mean your partner gets 50% of profit from monthly cash flow or 50% of profit after sale/cash out refi? monthly cash flow doesn't make sense $450 a month on a 140k investment is only like 3% right?

How did you narrow down the target area? Or is your target area broader than Indy suburbs? And how is the deal finder different from your broker? I just bought the BRRRR book by David G., but maybe I'll have to buy the long distance investing book as well :)

Good job Antonio. Quick question. Why would your partner cosign with you on his cash out refinance instead of just giving you the cash straight up? Does this mean you are also responsible for his mortgage on his primary property in case something about your current investment ($140k cash) goes bad?

A friend with an 80k HELOC has thrown around the idea of using it to partner with me and pay for a house/rehab if I find a deal, but I wouldn't be comfortable letting him put his house as collateral to partner on an investment property that he'll never touch/see.

How does this partnership work? What's in it for him?

Hearing good things about NWI since moving to Chicago. Low taxes, future growth, affordable houses. 

Originally posted by @Kevin Wilson:

@Jack Plantin I did a cash out refi of my primary so obviously some costs there for the initial cash. No issues with the conventional loan but I was right at that bottom limit of what they would lend on.

It’s crazy looking back how it all came together; definitely not perfect but I’m glad I had relative success for my first one as it gave me the confidence I need to push ahead!

Great man, sounds good! I checked out the houses in Pittsburgh and there are definitely a lot of affordable, older houses. Best of luck with future projects.

Originally posted by @Kevin Wilson:

Bought my first investment property last September in Pittsburgh, PA. I reside in San Diego, CA and never set foot in Pittsburgh so it seemed a little weird.

Details:

SFR 4/2 on the MLS

Asking: $50K; Offered: $40K And ultimately agreed and purchased for $44K

Used conventional financing with 20% down

Rehab cost was $36K

Total money in including rehab, down payment, closing costs and holding costs: $55K

Rented 4 months after purchase for $1275

Refinanced into a new 30 year fixed at 4.5% and was able to get $53K cash out after an appraisal of $125K

Currently looking for the next deal to finish out the "Repeat" phase of the BRRRR; hence the almost.

Definitely learned a lot through this process everything from financing to working with contractors to property management companies. Biggest piece for me would be perhaps developing a contractor agreement on my end that could have prevented some hiccups down the road; ultimately the work was done well but drawn out and demands for payment outside of the quoted schedule.

I’m looking to use hard money for my next deal in order to learn the ins and outs of doing so.

Congrats Kevin, this is basically an ideal scenario apart from the issues with rehab time. 

Did you fund the rehab with cash out of your pocket or a rehab loan? I'm pre-approved for a 100k rehab loan, but struggling to find houses in my target market near where I live now.

 Also did you have any issues getting an accepted offer with conventional financing on a house priced so low? Maybe Pittsburgh isn't as competitive as other markets, but 44k seems like cash only territory.