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All Forum Posts by: Ian Zuber

Ian Zuber has started 2 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Shai Simchon:

hey, which suburb is it?


 Point breeze north!

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
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Quote from @Leo R.:

@Ian Zuber congrats on taking the plunge. Pittsburgh is an awesome city (I lived there, and am familiar with most of the neighborhoods).

You ask a good question, but there's no clear-cut answer (that's often the case in REI).

I definitely recommend taking some time to closely analyze and consider the rent market in your neighborhood, what type of tenant your property is currently attracting, and what type of tenant your property could attract after some upgrades. For instance, a C-grade property near a university will probably attract college students--most of whom will be young, and will have little or no experience renting a property. College kids are known to cause lots of property damage, and generally make managing the property a lot more difficult. Now, if you could take that hypothetical C-grade property and update it to make it a B+ or an A-, you might start attracting doctoral residents or visiting professors--these types of tenants will usually be much more reliable, cause less damage, and they have the money to pay for a higher grade property. My tenants are primarily in their late 20s through their 30s with high-skill careers (doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses, etc.)--these tenants are fantastic because they're responsible, they have experience renting places, they never cause property damage or lease violations, they're professional and good communicators, and they have the income to pay for a high-grade property. A medical resident at the local hospital has put in a LOT of work and effort to get where they are, and they're unlikely to risk ruining their credit over silly late rent payments or property damage.

Having said that, if you upgrade that hypothetical C-grade property to an A-, but it's in an area where nobody has the money to pay the higher rent, or there aren't people interested in renting a higher grade property, then that's going to cost you (this is the classic case of over-improving a property--which a very common mistake by beginning real estate investors). In other words, it's difficult to sell a Rolls-Royce in a neighborhood where everyone is driving a Honda. 

So, in a nutshell, it all comes down to knowing your market and knowing your customer (anyone running a successful business will tell you that knowing the customers is critical).

In terms of actual improvements to make to a property--again, it all depends on a million factors like the tenant pool, the grade of properties in the neighborhood, the cost of the improvements, your cash on hand, your goals, etc., etc., but here are a few things to consider:

-New paint is one of the cheapest, fastest, and easiest ways to improve a property and get a bit higher rent. Especially if the existing paint and colors look dated, dirty, ugly, new paint can work wonders and can completely transform the vibe of a property. Google around to find info on what types of colors to go with (usually, neutral, bright colors work well).

-New carpet / flooring is usually the next step--it's usually a bit more expensive than paint, but it can greatly improve the attractiveness (and durability) of the property. Again, especially if the existing flooring is ugly/in bad shape, then you'll probably get a lot of bang for your buck by improving the floors. If you have hardwood floors that are in rough shape, get a quote for re-finishing them.

-Upgrading the lighting. This can be as simple as getting some better floor lamps, or as in-depth as upgrading the entire electrical system of the house (so again, you want to be mindful of not over-improving a property). ...but, good lighting can transform an ugly, un-inviting room into a really nice space.

-Depending on the layout of the property, adding a bedroom or adding a bathroom can greatly increase rent (if you think this is possible at your property, read up on the topic--there's plenty of info in the forums, on youtube, etc.)

-Sprucing up the kitchen or bathrooms can go a long way--painting old ugly cabinets, upgrading the countertops, replacing old beat-up appliances, etc.

-Think outside the box and consider what types of amenities tenants might like. Do your tenants have bicycles? If so, adding a shed for bike storage might get you a bit more in rent (and have the added bonus of keeping tenants from dragging their bikes through your house--which tends to cause damage). In some markets, coin-op laundry facilities are common in rentals--but in some markets and properties, a coin-op laundry would be a huge turn-off to potential tenants (so again, it all comes back to knowing the customers and your market).

-Talk to local real estate agents and landlords/property managers, and ask them what types of improvements they've seen that really increased the value of the property and/or the rent.

-Ask tenants (or potential tenants) what types of things they like and don't like about your property, and places they've rented in the past. This will help you understand what tenants value (and what they're willing and not willing to pay more rent for). ...of course, some tenants will suggest things that just aren't feasible or advisable from an investment standpoint (most tenants would love an in-ground pool or a hot tub, but in most cases, that would be a bad investment).

-It's not just about adding value--it's also about lowering expenses. I once bought a property that had a landscaper. At the time, I was young and had a lot of energy and time, but not much money. So, I started doing the landscaping myself--that saved me a decent chunk of cash. Analyze what your expenses are, and look for opportunities to reduce those expenses. Caveat: this does NOT mean "cutting corners" or doing something dangerous just to save a buck. An unlicensed electrician might be cheaper, but cheaper usually means lower quality. "Low quality" and "electrical work" are two phrases you never want to see together. Cheap electrical work puts your tenants' lives at risk, which isn't worth any amount of saved money. So, you gotta know where to cut costs, but also understand when and where to spend the big bucks for quality work.

Of course, there are some improvements/repairs that you have to make, even though they won't increase your rent a dime. Old knob & tube electrical systems? That stuff is dangerous and a huge liability, so it's gotta go--it'll cost a good chunk of money, and probably won't increase your rent at all, but it has to be done. That's the cost of doing business.

Those are a few ideas off the top of my head.

Good luck out there!

Wow! I couldn’t have hoped for a more thorough response. There’s so many good points and a lot that I can get started with. Thanks a lot Leo!

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Gary Swank:

Hi Ian, I have a few additional questions that may help me understand better. Are you looking to renovate to resell? Renovate to hold and rent out? Looking to see what renovations to potentially justify strong rents? Over what term? Kitchen, bath, paint and flooring are always good basic renovations to make to any property. But that's also a generalization. If you're looking to rent the property, consider inviting a good property manager in that could give you a better idea of what will attract tenants to that neighborhood.  

Renovate to rent out! I’m thinking of doing a medium term furnished rental. I thought about asking a property manager to help me get an idea of how to get top of the market rents but since I am planning to self manage I’m not sure if any would want to take the time to do this will they?

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Kyle Ebersole:

Congrats on your first one Ian! My first property was also a duplex that needed renovating, its a great place to start! What everyone is saying here is spot on, check the comps and go off what the area is telling you to do. Are you trying to hit the rental prices that have new kitchens and granite, or the rental prices that paint cabinets and install formica? Good questions to ask yourself as you work through it! 

Another question that you should ask yourself.. how long are you planning on holding this property for? Here is why I ask.. As I said earlier, I bought a duplex that needed renovated as my first property as well. It was built in 1900. I never want to sell this property, got it at a 2.9% interest rate, so its going to hopefully be apart of my portfolio for ever. With that perspective, I put some more into the property than I would've otherwise. I installed all new electric, majority new plumbing, split the utilities for both units, new panels, updated the exterior, etc. Reason I did this is two fold. One, yes it increases my rents, value of the property and return I get on it. But secondly, I want to keep it as maintenance free as possible, especially since I know I'll be holding it for a very long time. It was also vacant when I bought it so no better time to tear open some walls and replace stuff. Heck of a lot easier to do it now than when tenants are in the property! 

Just a few thoughts to think over if you are holding it for a long time. Again, congrats brother! 


 I never considered that! Great point Kyle. I think this is one I'd like to hold for a long time but that may change but its definitely a needed perspective to these decisions.

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jeremy Taggart:

@Ian Zuber that's an area that i'd go high end in, people will pay up for it there for sure. Plus there's some pretty good renovated comps in that general area to further justify making it nice as well. 


 I think so too. My strategy right now since I have to furnish it anyway is to turn my side into a nice furnished medium-term rental when I move out. That being said it's hard to tell from an analytical standpoint what my budget should be. It might be just a matter of studying the comps and writing down features and amenities that differ between my unit and theirs and then comparing rents as well.

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jamie Dietz:

If you are keeping the property long term, one way to look at it is determine you return updating the property.  For example, if you spend 20K on updates and earn $2,400/yr more rent the return 12%.   


 That's a good way to look at it!

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Ian Zuber:

Hey, BiggerPockets community! I am proud to say that with a lot of advice and guidance, I finally purchased my first property. It is a duplex in a very nice Pittsburgh suburb close to hospitals, nightlife, shopping, and recreation areas. I'm very excited to dive into my first investment and do whatever it takes for it to reach its maximum potential. One thing that I am having trouble trying to analyze is how to tell when a renovation project is worth it. The house was built in the 1920's so there is a lot that could be done to make it more marketable and look/feel nicer but I don't want to go over the top when the money could be used better elsewhere. I'd love any opinions, resources, or advice!


This is a lot of great advice friends I appreciate it! I just wanted to put a disclaimer, I put it in this category because I thought that rehabbing was the closest thing to renovating but in retrospect it probably belongs more in the general category. I apologize! 

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Jeremy Taggart:

@Ian Zuber Congrats on getting #1 under your belt! What neighborhood/area is the property in?

It’s in point breeze north!

Post: How and When to Add Value

Ian ZuberPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4

Hey, BiggerPockets community! I am proud to say that with a lot of advice and guidance, I finally purchased my first property. It is a duplex in a very nice Pittsburgh suburb close to hospitals, nightlife, shopping, and recreation areas. I'm very excited to dive into my first investment and do whatever it takes for it to reach its maximum potential. One thing that I am having trouble trying to analyze is how to tell when a renovation project is worth it. The house was built in the 1920's so there is a lot that could be done to make it more marketable and look/feel nicer but I don't want to go over the top when the money could be used better elsewhere. I'd love any opinions, resources, or advice!

Post: What to look for in a house hack in today's market.

Ian ZuberPosted
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  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 4

Hello Bigger Pockets people! I am new to the real estate investment space, and after a few books and hours of YouTube videos, I am knee-deep in my search for an FHA-financed, multi-family house hack in the greater Pittsburgh area. With interest rates as high as they are and home prices elevated as well, I'm not sure where my expectations should be as far as cash-on-cash return and total ROI percentages. I'm interested to hear what more experienced investors have to say. I've heard some people say that cash flow isn't necessary while you're living in the home and to analyze the property when you move out and it's fully rented, I've heard from others that cash flow is essential and they expect a 10% cash on cash return and over 25% of total ROI or else it is not worth it. I think the viewpoints of my fellow investors will help me come to my own conclusions about what I can and cannot accept in a deal so pleas, share your thoughts!