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All Forum Posts by: Ian Ross

Ian Ross has started 0 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Newbie Real Estate Investor - Learning & Networking

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9

Hey Brandon,

Great job on taking the first steps in your real estate investing journey! Wholesaling is a fantastic way to get your feet wet! 

There are a few ways to reach out to cash buyers, but one of the most effective (albeit labor intensive) is to join local Facebook groups focused on real estate investing, and look for posts where someone else has asked about who is a cash buyer in that group (I've done this myself). Those members will usually give very brief info on themselves, and list an email address. Once you have compiled enough addresses, you can contact them directly, explain how you got their address, and let them know your plans.

You will want to ask what types of deals they're looking for as an investor, and what kind of deals, and wholesalers they've worked with, they haven't been happy with in the past. Make the email about learning what works for them, and not about what you can do for them. If they respond positively to your initial email, you can then pursue further conversation and build a better relationship.

Welcome to the crazy world of real estate wholesaling! You're gonna do great.

Post: Beginner Wholesaler Seeking Guidance

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Brad Jacobson:

The biggest hurdle you'll have once you've found a deal is making sure you're executing the assignable legal contract correctly.  This varies state by state and can be tricky at times.

If you're new to wholesaling and haven't been buying and selling real estate for years, you're going to want to partner up with an experienced wholesaler on your first few deals.  

There are likely several big wholesalers in your market already and they're always willing to partner as long as there's money in it for them!  Partner with them on your first few and make sure it's clear that you want the knowledge from the partnering deal!

Good luck

I completely 2nd what Brad said. Despite what a lot of TikToks may say, wholesaling on your own with any kind of consistency requires at least a small financial investment, depending on how you want to approach this. My initial costs were around forming my LLC (a nice to have in something as litigious as real estate investing) and having a lawyer look over my various contracts. They continued on to paying for skiptraced data and using software/services to help coordinate and automate, before ultimately leading to higher costs (my highest cost is labor).


This all comes back to the post above from Brad Jacobson: You should look to partner up with an existing wholesaler or investor. Atlanta is a tough nut to crack because of how saturated it is, and going this solo without spending any money will require quite a bit of luck up front, which is never how you want to rely on starting your business.

Best of luck on your wholesaling journey!

Post: How to approach the owner to wholesale their property

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:
Quote from @Ian Ross:
Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:

 No no no and no!

there is no difference between your situation and you approaching some stranger in walmart and ask them where they bought their pants.

why does everyone act like a scammer? ALl the advice given here is coming from "I am a scammer douchebag and I need to hide it, so what do I say to them to not show I am a scammer".

friggin be you. Be normal. Tell the truth. Hey. I am a wholesaler and if you are interested in selling your house for cash I can help. 

Think about it. 

if you are direct to the point and they say no, no matter whay shpiell or lie you tell them they are not magically suddenly be interesred right?

And when you are 100% transparent straight to the point they will have a warm feeling of thrust and they will hear you out or just say no thanks. Then you just move on. 

you are overthinking it. 

the reason why you don't feel confident is lack of experience. Experience will come. Just get ready to hear a lot of no's and that is ok. That is experience.


While I agree with you in theory, Jerryll, that a lack of transparency and overthinking are often a huge detriment to both the investor as well as the homeowner, there is a lot of room for having a game plan and strategy for talking to someone about selling their house for cash without being scammy.

For instance, most homeowners have no idea what a wholesaler is, and declaring yourself as one before giving context often confuses sellers, and that ultimately turns them off. If you haven't built rapport, saying, "If you are interested in selling your house for cash I can help" can result on people hanging up on your or saying No instinctively before giving you a chance to explain the benefits of your cash offer.

There seems to be a big misconception that using sales tactics in wholesaling is scammy, and homeowners will see it that way. 

If you sound like a telemarketer on the phone, that's sure to be the case. But if you go through discovery questions and carefully outline the value of your cash offer (besides just the number), and how that offer will work, you will end up securing far more deals than if you just called them out of the blue and said, "I can help you sell your house for cash."

Simply put, you will get more qualified and valued deals by using a strategy.
  

 No offense (and I mean it), but what you think about this in theory or practically is completely irrelevant. I make millions by doing this transparently bluntly and honestly. Right?

This is what I am doing.  I did, I do I AM!  I.AM.DOING.IT!! Successfully.

So I repeat... transparency honesty is the way to go. You just need to learn not to look act and sound like a scammer... but that is on you.. not the strategy. Now take it or leave it, but what I said is the solution whether you agree with it or not!

But I absolutely get it though. Common sense does say, why would anyone pick you when you bluntly tell them you are not going to buy their house. So I absolutely see where you are coming from. Here is where confidence, body language and .. being straight to the point comes to play. People just absolutely trust you when they see you are transparent. They see that you didn't HAVE to disclose that info but you did. So anything else you will say is received very differently now, with understanding, and trust. Just try it.. you will get "no's" absolutely.. but that is fine... you will also get a lot of "yesses" and those are the ones that matter. Just try it and see for yourself my friend! Connect with me and I will tell you how exactly I do it, what I tell them and how I handle it.

To your success bud!


I do not doubt that if you put yourself in front of enough motivated sellers that you will get a multitude of deals and make money that most people can only dream of. When I talk about building rapport with a seller, and using the techniques involved, there's a lot more involved than simply getting them to move forward with me. A lot of the houses I get under contract are from skip traced lists of residential properties with certain "distressed" criteria, and I am very rarely the first or last wholesaler to speak to them. Like any sales training, a lot of this involves standing out from your competition. 

It has not been my experience that investors operate in a vacuum, at least not in my markets. Taking the time to carefully connect, and building up the specific value of your cash offer, will get any wholesaler who chooses a strategic approach more "yesses" than those that do not. 

Hope this helps.

Post: 1st Wholesale Deal. Help!

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9

Hi Laura,

I don't personally know any real estate investors who will be attracted to a "Father's Day Special" on an investment property, and it also seems slightly dubious to list the ARV of the home after someone adds an additional bedroom and bath. People will want to know what the ARV is for that property as a 3/3 right now.

It's not the type of advert the people I work with would go for, but maybe you'll have some luck where you post it on Facebook.

Post: 1st Wholesale Deal. Help!

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Laura Verderber:

The seller had it listed for $500,000 for 6 months. I offered $400,000. She said no so I walked. A month later she had her realtor call me over the weekend and ask if I wanted it before they lowered it to $400,000 on the MLS. I said yes. I had my contractor walk it. The repairs will be $100,000. I had 2 realtors comp the house. It came to $700,000. I'm saying $650,000 just to be conservative. There's room enough to make profit in this house. Oh, and I showed the seller my proof of funds so I can close and flip if I can't find a buyer. I'm in the middle of renovating two houses right now so I didn't want to add a third but I can handle it if I need to.

According to Zillow the property is For Sale right now for $400k, and investors will see that if you try and wholesale the property to them above $400k.

It is certainly possible that the right investors did not see the property when it was listed before, but in general if something is on the MLS at $500k for 6 months before being lowered incrementally down to $400k, most investors are not comping the property at $650k without a significant amount of rehabbing work done to that property.

I'm not saying this can't be done, but I keep going back to the Zillow listing for the same price you have it locked up for as a big issue.

Post: 1st Wholesale Deal. Help!

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9

I'm a bit confused as to your setup, but it sounds to me like you are contracting the property at the same price it's listed on the MLS for, after it was already dropped $45k. If that's the case, you'll need an investor willing to pay over the MLS listing for you to make a profit. Since the owner has already lowered the price, it seems unlikely to me that the property is hot enough for an investor to pay you a wholesale fee rather than just wait until they can buy it themselves at $400k.

Usually if you're wholesaling an on-market property, you will want it locked up at such a lower price that an investor will be paying less than the listing for you to still charge an assignment fee.

Post: Opening escrow before having a buyer

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9

James, I would assume that setup and process works for many.

For my business, that agreement you pasted doesn't cover enough of the situations to arise for us to feel comfortable moving forward (i.e. Inspection period, prorations, insurance, close of escrow, deposit info, etc.)

If you know a wholesaler in your market who has found sustained success with that contract, they can definitely go into more depth as to how they deal with various circumstances should there be an issue.

Post: Is there systems out there to cold call?

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9
Quote from @David Choe:

Hey Jonathan!

You can look into Batch Dialer or Mojo Dialer as well.

@Ian Ross - Do you mind sharing what dialer are you using for your VA and is your VA a direct hire or are you using a service?

Sure, @David Choe! I'm using Call Tools for my dialer and I used a service to match me with my VA, but now I deal with my VA direct from here on out.

Post: How to approach the owner to wholesale their property

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Jerryll Noorden:

 No no no and no!

there is no difference between your situation and you approaching some stranger in walmart and ask them where they bought their pants.

why does everyone act like a scammer? ALl the advice given here is coming from "I am a scammer douchebag and I need to hide it, so what do I say to them to not show I am a scammer".

friggin be you. Be normal. Tell the truth. Hey. I am a wholesaler and if you are interested in selling your house for cash I can help. 

Think about it. 

if you are direct to the point and they say no, no matter whay shpiell or lie you tell them they are not magically suddenly be interesred right?

And when you are 100% transparent straight to the point they will have a warm feeling of thrust and they will hear you out or just say no thanks. Then you just move on. 

you are overthinking it. 

the reason why you don't feel confident is lack of experience. Experience will come. Just get ready to hear a lot of no's and that is ok. That is experience.


While I agree with you in theory, Jerryll, that a lack of transparency and overthinking are often a huge detriment to both the investor as well as the homeowner, there is a lot of room for having a game plan and strategy for talking to someone about selling their house for cash without being scammy.

For instance, most homeowners have no idea what a wholesaler is, and declaring yourself as one before giving context often confuses sellers, and that ultimately turns them off. If you haven't built rapport, saying, "If you are interested in selling your house for cash I can help" can result on people hanging up on your or saying No instinctively before giving you a chance to explain the benefits of your cash offer.

There seems to be a big misconception that using sales tactics in wholesaling is scammy, and homeowners will see it that way. 

If you sound like a telemarketer on the phone, that's sure to be the case. But if you go through discovery questions and carefully outline the value of your cash offer (besides just the number), and how that offer will work, you will end up securing far more deals than if you just called them out of the blue and said, "I can help you sell your house for cash."

Simply put, you will get more qualified and valued deals by using a strategy.
  

Post: Opening escrow before having a buyer

Ian RossPosted
  • Wholesaler
  • Savannah, GA
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 9

Hi James,

I always open escrow immediately once I have a property under contract, namely because the title company/real estate attorney is listed on the contract to begin with, and it's important to be honest with a homeowner about the earnest money deposit you've put down.