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All Forum Posts by: Hunter Jordan

Hunter Jordan has started 3 posts and replied 19 times.

Quote from @Jason Smith:

if you are asking random people online what to do, you might want to rethink your life

Didn’t know asking people advice was such a bad thing?
Quote from @Patience Echem:

I don’t understand how your outstanding dropped from 199K to 173K. In both cases you are going to a higher rate which will make your payment more expensive. Except for some unexplained reason you are using a lower outstanding amount. 


 Note holder is selling the note at a discounted rate. Read all my posts, it explains in detail how this deal is being done.

Quote from @Will Hamelton:

I wouldn't refinance. Wait until rates are better for sure. 


 Can’t wait, he needs the capital now. If I don’t jump on it then he will just go another route. Then I lose the cheaper note and 26k in gained equity.

Quote from @Ying Tang:

 Thanks for sharing! I learned quite a bit from this post. I think refinance does make sense in your case, and I would do 20 years. 

Loan 1

• Rate: 5.00%

• Monthly Payment: $1,372

• Time Left: 18.5 years (222 months)

• Estimated Outstanding Balance: Approximately $198,800

• Total Payment: About $304,584

• Total Interest (approx.): ~$105,800

Loan 2

• Rate: 6.125%

• New Balance: $173,000

• Monthly Payment: $1,252

• Time Left: 20 years (240 months)

• Total Payment: About $300,480

• Total Interest (approx.): ~$127,480

If you increase the payment on Loan 2 to $1,372 per month (matching Loan 1’s payment), you’ll be paying an extra $120 each month toward principal. Using a rough amortization calculation for Loan 2—with a new balance of $173,000 at a 6.125% annual rate (≈0.5104% monthly)—this higher payment would reduce the term from 20 years (240 months) to roughly 203 months (about 16.9 years).

In numbers:

• Original Loan 2 at $1,252/month for 240 months:

Total payments ≈ $300,480; Total interest ≈ $127,480.

• Loan 2 with $1,372/month:

Estimated term ≈ 203 months; Total payments ≈ $278,000; Total interest ≈ $105,000.

You need to double check the numbers as I'm not a loan professional. But it seems with the same amount of payment, refinance would allow you to pay off earlier..

I appreciate your response! How do you feel about the 15 year refi?

Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Hunter Jordan:
Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Hunter Jordan:
Quote from @Erik Estrada:

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Why not just pay down your loan more aggressively? Shortening the loan term may make sense if you are going to reduce the interest rate as well. In this case, you are just getting into a higher rate and paying closing costs. 


 Let me add that if I pay extra on the 20 year refi I will pay it off in 17 - 18 years and my mortgage stays the same.

This is also a seller financing deal and the individual I am financing through has agreed to sell the note at $163,500 plus $2500 in earnest money. $173k refi is because closing cost are tied in. I currently owe 199k on my current mortgage and have 18.5 years left until pay off.


So if I am understanding this correctly you are refinancing a seller financed mortgage into a conventional mortgage? How would you be gaining $26k in equity? Wouldn't that just mean you are paying the $26k at closing since the loan you are paying off is more than the current loan you are qualifying for? 

Yes refinancing a seller financing deal to a conventional loan. The amount owed on the seller financing note is $199k.

However he is selling the note for $163,500 plus $2500 for earnest money. So $166k total. I will be financing the $163,500 as I will pay him directly for the earnest money. The 20 year refi is for $173k (163,500 plus closing and one year of property insurance) 

$199k (current note) - $173k (refinancing 20 year term note) equals 26k in gained equity.

 Perfect breakdown. 

Yes then I see why it would make sense for you to refi. The seller is basically discounting the original note and you are paying him off through the refinance.

Correct. Going back to my original post, what refi do you recommend? The 15 year? The 20 year? The 20 year and pay the same mortgage I’m paying now? ($120 additional payment added to principal).
Or do you still like the current note.

Thanks for the advice!
Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Hunter Jordan:
Quote from @Erik Estrada:

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Why not just pay down your loan more aggressively? Shortening the loan term may make sense if you are going to reduce the interest rate as well. In this case, you are just getting into a higher rate and paying closing costs. 


 Let me add that if I pay extra on the 20 year refi I will pay it off in 17 - 18 years and my mortgage stays the same.

This is also a seller financing deal and the individual I am financing through has agreed to sell the note at $163,500 plus $2500 in earnest money. $173k refi is because closing cost are tied in. I currently owe 199k on my current mortgage and have 18.5 years left until pay off.


So if I am understanding this correctly you are refinancing a seller financed mortgage into a conventional mortgage? How would you be gaining $26k in equity? Wouldn't that just mean you are paying the $26k at closing since the loan you are paying off is more than the current loan you are qualifying for? 

Yes refinancing a seller financing deal to a conventional loan. The amount owed on the seller financing note is $199k.

However he is selling the note for $163,500 plus $2500 for earnest money. So $166k total. I will be financing the $163,500 as I will pay him directly for the earnest money. The 20 year refi is for $173k (163,500 plus closing and one year of property insurance) 

$199k (current note) - $173k (refinancing 20 year term note) equals 26k in gained equity.
Quote from @Hunter Jordan:
Quote from @Erik Estrada:

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Why not just pay down your loan more aggressively? Shortening the loan term may make sense if you are going to reduce the interest rate as well. In this case, you are just getting into a higher rate and paying closing costs. 

But I instantly gain 26k in equity. My note now is 173k on the 20 year. Where my current note is 5 percent yes, but it’s 5 percent on a 208k note. So if I were to refi to a 20 year, my note goes down to 173k, I gain 26k in equity (199k owed - $173k for new note) and if I were to pay my same mortgage with the 20 year refi I would pay off the debt 1.5 years quicker ($120 extra  now going to principal on a $173k note).

The only down side is the rate, the $3100 out of pocket, and the additional 1.5 year (going from a 18.5 year pay off back to a 20 with the refi) pay off, if I don’t pay extra on the mortgage.

If I choose not to pay extra on the mortgage of the 20 year refi then I just gained $120 in cash flow ($1372 current mortgage - $1252 20 year refi)

However I do plan to pay extra on the 20 year refi.


Correction, my current note is 199k
Quote from @Erik Estrada:

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Why not just pay down your loan more aggressively? Shortening the loan term may make sense if you are going to reduce the interest rate as well. In this case, you are just getting into a higher rate and paying closing costs. 


 Let me add that if I pay extra on the 20 year refi I will pay it off in 17 - 18 years and my mortgage stays the same.

This is also a seller financing deal and the individual I am financing through has agreed to sell the note at $163,500 plus $2500 in earnest money. $173k refi is because closing cost are tied in. I currently owe 199k on my current mortgage and have 18.5 years left until pay off.

Quote from @Erik Estrada:

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Why not just pay down your loan more aggressively? Shortening the loan term may make sense if you are going to reduce the interest rate as well. In this case, you are just getting into a higher rate and paying closing costs. 

But I instantly gain 26k in equity. My note now is 173k on the 20 year. Where my current note is 5 percent yes, but it’s 5 percent on a 208k note. So if I were to refi to a 20 year, my note goes down to 173k, I gain 26k in equity (199k owed - $173k for new note) and if I were to pay my same mortgage with the 20 year refi I would pay off the debt 1.5 years quicker ($120 extra  now going to principal on a $173k note).

The only down side is the rate, the $3100 out of pocket, and the additional 1.5 year (going from a 18.5 year pay off back to a 20 with the refi) pay off, if I don’t pay extra on the mortgage.

If I choose not to pay extra on the mortgage of the 20 year refi then I just gained $120 in cash flow ($1372 current mortgage - $1252 20 year refi)

However I do plan to pay extra on the 20 year refi.


Quote from @Chris Seveney:

I would not refinance into a higher interest rate - I would keep the existing loan if you can afford the payments

you also will have closing costs invoked to add to the new loan which again does not seem to be worth it in my opinion 


 Closing cost are tied in to the refinance. The out of pocket is $2500 earnest money and $600 for appraisal. Are you factoring in the $26k in equity gained and the lower note?