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All Forum Posts by: Hugh Carnaha

Hugh Carnaha has started 40 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: PINTS & PROPERTIES Hosted by Hugh Carnahan

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35

Let's Discuss:
Tax Lien sales and how Marty bought a house for $90

With Guest Speaker: Marty Tyler

Post: New Member - Post BPCon (Best way to get started on here)

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35
Quote from @AJ Exner:

Hey all,

Just got back from my (and my firm's) first BPCon down in Orlando. Amazing time and will DEFINITELY be planning to get to Cancun next year.

Looking for the best way to get started. I would like to start investing soon, but my full time is brokering for Hard/Private money loans. I'm trying to figure out the sweet spot between utilizing the space to expand my client base, while also not sounding too, spam/sales-y. Any advice? 

Thanks!


Howdy aj! I actually host the local sw mo pints and properties meetup and you can bump elbows with local investors that are new and trying to grow their base as well. As others have said I would try to get into a small deal without partners yourself, once you learn the ropes and I've done a few you'll be able to have the connections and know what to do next. The other thing it does is it makes you more useful to larger investors as you actually don't need your hand held and bring something more to the table. I think there are a few private money lenders in our group including myself, people are always needing funds, and there's a few wholesalers that also are passing deals around. I think this year we had $486,000 of real estate passed around at the group.

One thing to keep in mind, not all real estate investors out there are bigger pockets members and may not have the sophistication that we generally do. I continue to study study study, looking to burr househacking long distance real estate investing. I think I spent a total of $200 worth of books(audible) . That was 3 years ago, now we're up to 287 doors and climbing through the BRRRR strategy.

Post: New to Wholesaling

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Chad Swanson:

After months of evaluating and researching different techniques, I have decided that wholesaling is the best strategy to begin my RE investment journey. 

What is some advice or experiences that you have gone through when you first began? 

What is the best way to find and build a list of investors? 

Hey chad I'm actually up in springfield mo. I host the pints and properties meet up bi-monthly. You can meet a lot of the up and coming investors around here. As others have said I would try to take down deals yourself, you can check out youtube and all the bp content along the forms, other tons of ways to get into properties without money however I would recommend you start looking at a house hack. It allows you to go in with a primary residence debt and you have to live somewhere anyways so might as well pay yourself. Pop up here at the swmo pint's properties meet up

Post: Do you guys know of any good title companies that will work with TX Wholesalers

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Guy Gimenez:

Title insurance companies, not unlike any insurance company, want to reduce their liability and ensure their team's time is well spent on a potential transaction...they want to get it closed. The reason so many title insurers refrain from working with assignments is because so few assignors are educated about contracts, how to properly assign, what happens if an assignee is unable to close or what the assignor's liability is when the assignor is unable to locate an assignee. It's not that title companies don't understand assignments, it's that assignors don't understand assignments. Assignments occur every day with few issues but only when the assignor is knowledgeable and ethical. Failed transactions cause sellers to become upset with both the assignors and the title company. Most assignors could care less because they're not building a business. Title companies typically care very much about their reputation and understand how a quickly it can be damaged by a third party who is unaware of the assignment process.  


 Hey OP, another thing out there is you can do double closes depending on the state instead of an assignment. What guy is saying is absolutely right, most of the time it's a novice investor who doesn't understand how contracts work. There's tons of great advice in this thread to help somebody get started. I was an active burr strategy guy for 3 years and got up to 287 units before crossing over into the wholesale and territory. As other than said your word is your bond and you want to be able to close on the property if you can't pass it along and perform a Wholetale instead of a wholesale. This is where you actually close in the property and turn around and sell it very quickly. If you're looking in the bcs area and you have a heloc on your house you might be able to use that if your risk tolerance allows you to.  At this time I'll pull a loc and close a property in cash if I'm in a pinch and then I'll refine back out or sell it if I need to. But my risk tolerance and portfolio size is large enough to handle hits, and flipping hundreds of crack houses gave my team and I the experience to know what to do when things go wrong. (Not if things go wrong but when things go wrong.)

Depending on what state you're in, I always recommend a double close over an assignment. People use the word assignment as if it means wholesaling. The two are very different, when you cross into the commercial space almost 100% of everything is assigned because most people will stand up a legal entity to to purchase the asset. When you do assignments generally your end buyer will see the spread. Some folks won't care, some folks might be upset that you made 30 grand because you hustled and found the good deal. 

Another consideration is you can't get funding for most assignments prices, but there are lenders out there that work with double clothes wholesalers that will lend to a forever home buyer. An example would be we found a 180k 3/2 that we were able to wholesale to a forever home buyer for 220k. If we would have done an assignment contract(at least in this state) the forever home buyer would have seen that we made a 40k spread and would only have been able to qualify for a loan against the $180k. But we work with lenders that will lend on the second contract at $220k.

Post: Property wholesale contracts and earnest money questions!

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Account Closed:

Hey, I learned recently that people need to give earnest money to buyers to close a wholesale contract deal for properties. Is it possible for me to assign contracts where I don't have to pay earnest money to the seller? Let me know.


I'm a wholesaler in a similar market in missouri. We actually are thinking about moving into the b/cs area as well. For us we try to get away with not doing emd however my partner who wholesales out of california does $500 to $1,000 down. Make sure you have the backup contingency in there so you can get it back. Also (just to cover all the bases) make sure 100% that you give the emd to the title company and not to the person directly.

On our contracts we use earnest money deposit of "_____(dollars)" so we can hand write in whatever we want. But most of the time I'll default it to zero. Some more sophisticated sellers and mom and pops might ask for $500 or 1000 down. 90% of deals we find are happy to possibly even get rid of their house so they don't bother signing anything. Also you said assign the deal, I work out of the same day double close side of things so nobody knows what the spread is. In that case I'll often pass an emd to the end buyer so I'm not actually coming out of pocket. I only did assignments once and the agents involved got super pissy.

Post: Pint's and Properties Meetup at Big Whiskey's in Nixa Missouri

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35

We've got a CPA who will be discussing how to protect your assets and grow your wealth. 

Post: Springfield, MO Banking Institution Recommendations

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Brent Sweet:

Does anybody have recommendations of a banker that is investor friendly at a local bank in Springfield, MO?  I currently bank with a Simmons Bank, a relatively local bank but I haven't really been able to get to know anybody there as far as my investment strategy and plan because it seems like the personal banker position is a revolving door.  I'm hoping to get my banking into an institution that is local that has someone that is tenured with that bank that I can build a relationship with that can get to know my long term goals and help support them.  The bank I am with just isn't going to be that bank I don't believe unless I just don't know the right person at the right branch.

Any advice would be appreciated.  At this point I can pretty much still go the conventional route.  I have 2 rentals one is in my Wife's name and one is basically an owner/finance sublease type agreement that I am in for so little money no bank will refinance it.  So really the only conventional I have is on our primary home.  I have a preapproval letter from Better Mortgage (an online company) right now for a purchase of $745,000 without a credit check.  That's great that I have the ability for them to fund an investment so I have somewhere to go to get my next place, BUT I don't know what like the next property looks like if we don't have a personal relationship or someone that understands my goals.

 Howdy Brent! I second @Alex Breshears in using OMB. They rock, especially for investors. If you're local or not slammed, why down you swing by a Pint N Properties meetup? We have them 1st and 3rd Weds. If you DM me, I can get you setup with the head lender for commercial. OMB destroys the local competition at 85% LTV, and SOMETIMES 25yr am depending on what you're buying.

Post: Pints & Properties with One Source Appraisal Brandon Monsanto

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35

This Sunday we have Brandon Monsanto from One Source Appraisal speaking about all the in's and out's of what an appraiser is looking for.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there and learning more about appraising.

Post: Thoughts on Springfield Missouri

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35

I am local here! Have scaled a team and know the ins and outs of our market. What were you wanting to know about the market here?

I agree with what @Michelle Herschend and @Matthew Cope has said as well. I heavily invest on the North side which is considered high crime and run down.

Also, if you are in the area I run the Local Pint's N Properties meetup at a brewery. It meets 1st and 3rd Sundays of each month at 4x4 Brewing. Alot of new and experienced investors in the area meet up and share info. I think there's been 3 or so deals passed around i've seen in the last year as well.

Post: Pints and Property (Sringfield, Nixa, Ozarks)

Hugh Carnaha
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Springfield, MO
  • Posts 83
  • Votes 35

Gonna be a ton of fun for anyone that is joining!!!