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All Forum Posts by: Max Householder

Max Householder has started 13 posts and replied 310 times.

Post: Looking to invest in St. Louis, MO

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

@Peter MacKercher is our agent, PM, and contractor. His company is a one-stop shop. Peter also hooked us up with @Chet Hileman who's done 3 mortgages and a refi for us. GREAT teams and well worth reaching out to for a conversation if nothing else.

Post: St. Louis Property Management

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

Hey Nathan, it sounds to me like @Peter MacKercher is your guy. His team does everything from buy/sell, management, full renos, even roofing. Very organized group, they do good work, well worth the money.

Post: Any good STL general contractors out there?

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

I second @Peter MacKercher; Mogul/STL Renovations has an awesome team.

Post: Maintenance cost on older homes in St. Louis

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

We have two 4-units in South City, both around the 100 y/o mark. The first property we've had for 3 years and the average expenses have been:

Management: 11%
Taxes: 9%
Insurance: 4%
Fixed expenses: 12% (water, sewer, trash)
Variable expenses: 21% (repairs, maintenance, capex)

The first four categories have been very consistent as you'd expect since they're relatively "fixed" rates. The variable expenses have been as low as 16% and as high as 26% to get a 21% average so there are better years and worse. Over time you'd expect the average to come down, for instance in year 3 we replaced the sewer laterals which bumped up that year's variable costs, but over time that should be a zero maintenance feature and that cost averages out over each subsequent year.

Our 2nd property took 18 months or so to finally stabilize so the variable cost data is all over the place, as high as 60% in year one so it's hard to compare. However, the 1st property detailed above had been professionally managed for many, many years, was eat-off-the-floor level spotless clean in the basement and had clearly been well cared for and maintained when we bought. Our 2nd property was in much worse shape and had been bought as a flip by a DIY investor/manager who was in over his head rehabbing three 4-units at once and likely had decades of deferred maintenance prior to him owning it and doing bad lipstick work on it for a year so there were a lot more issues to run to ground.

So yes, costs will be high, I would definitely figure 20-25% variable cost unless it's a property that's been recently gutted and completely rehabbed. If you figure 25% variable costs that'll likely push you closer to 60% total expenses along with your fixed costs, but if you can buy it right and the gross rents will cover those costs and your mortgage and leave for $100-150/door or whatever your cash flow goal is, then you'll likely do much better some years when that variable # is more like 15% and the years when you have a big ticket expense you'll still make money or at worst break even. A PM we interviewed early on told us that you should break even with 3/4 units rented and pocket 100% of the rent from the 4th unit, that's your profit. So far that's been vaguely accurate and a helpful way to think about it.

What you don't want to do is take your 30-35% fixed costs, add just 10-15% for maintenance so you're at 45% expenses and run the numbers to get $50-60/door cash flow and say ah well rents are going up so that'll help my cash flow over time to get my $100/door goal or whatever and then when your expenses turn out to be 65% one year you're bringing money out of your pocket to pay for things because there's just not enough meat on the bone. Going into these properties we were overly conservative I felt and with 3.5 years in the bag I think we should have definitely projected worse up front just to be even safer. DO NOT fudge the numbers just to make it a "deal" on paper.

Post: Aspiring Investor in St. Louis, MO

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

Welcome! South City STL is a great area to live and invest. I would note that while you may find similar properties in each of "Dutchtown/South Hampton/Princeton Heights/Holly Hills" on average those are rather distinct areas with different property types, prices, tenants, expenses, etc. All have pros and cons so it's a good idea to narrow your focus and just know that comparing properties across those areas will not be like-for-like. 

Post: There is NOTHING to buy!

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

Sam Zell just gave an interview on Bloomberg about the oil & gas sector, but it's comparable to REI in this regard of a frozen market. Right now you have people who want to sell looking at prices from earlier this year pre-COVID or last year and you have buyers expecting to get a deal from distressed sellers post-COVID, so there's kind of a stalemate until someone actually has the stones to list at an 'old' price level and wait out buyers who expect prices to fall or for the distressed sellers to give in and start listing at any price. Also, bank lending has really tightened up! We are refinancing our primary mortgage and asked about one of our 4-units and our broker said banks aren't touching anything that's not a "slam dunk white picket fence"-type property so that's going to put a damper on buying activity for a time.

Post: Is buying a piece of land a good investment?

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

If you can get it for $15k under the ask, can you turn around and flip it for a $15k profit? Or is the land that overpriced? The biggest thing with land is lack of liquidity, unless you can buy it for 20 cents on the dollar and flip it for 50 cents, it could take a long time to sell if you buy at a market/retail price. Also ask what's the highest and best use? Could (you) or someone build a house on it? Commercial property? Is it near a hwy? Is there timber, hay, is it tillable? If it's just a piece of land that you can get "cheap" but there's no catalyst to increase the value then kinda what's the point? You capital is tied up for possibly years now with no exit. Just some stuff to think about

Post: Anyone familiar with Missouri farms?

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

I like that approach Justin. My wife and I have been thinking about a farm/rec property. We were thinking paying cash would be the way to go and then try to find one or two income streams we could get from the property that overtime offset the holding costs which when paying cash would be basically the taxes and not much else. Between hay, timber, maybe plant an orchard, berry patch, pumpkin patch, Christmas trees, grow other ornamental or fruit trees for sale, maybe cabins or a couple RV sites or even some rustic campsites, a fishing lake, there are so many avenues to make $150 here or $500 there i think you could make it pay for itself over time

Post: How to verify your Property Manager

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

Unless your PM is a roofer, you should definitely get multiple roofing companies to inspect and if the roof does need replacement, get multiple bids. $5000 sounds about right for a small SFR, before we sold our house in St. Louis City (1,000 sqft, 2/1) we got a quote for the roof and it was around $4k IIRC not including the garage. Still, definitely get an actual roofer's opinion. Plus, they're probably eager for work right now to keep their crews busy so you might get a deal!

Your PM can likely be helpful to ballpark items like this if they've been in REI for a long time, but I definitely wouldn't give him $5000 and let him find the roofer and manage the job etc.

Post: Anyone currently buying rentals in this market?

Max HouseholderPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Saint Louis, MO
  • Posts 313
  • Votes 326

For small rentals, 1-4 units, I think you'll see weak hands shaken out over the next couple of quarters. For example, folks who levered up to do AirBnb and are looking at zero revenue for several months at least and maybe through the remainder of the year, or longer if people are scared to return to travel for some time. The ones who can repurpose their units as long term rentals may be okay if they have reserves to bridge the gap in economic activity (who's moving in the next month or two?), but I think at least some likely overpaid for properties looking at the higher return % for nightly rentals. Many will have to firesale or turn in their keys. Same goes for any long-term rental portfolio short on reserves or that got caught flat-footed with vacancies.

I'm sure larger multis will do fine if they can work with tenants to bridge any gaps in income. Stimulus money will filter through eventually if you can wait it out. Depending on the property type I would be nervous about what the future holds for commercial RE. There are so many unknowns right now and if the hysteria over the virus drags on for months and this really does permanently change our way of life (I'm skeptical) with more permanent levels of social distancing or rolling lockdowns or who knows what, you might never see the restaurant industry recover, many types of office space might become obsolete, retail may move almost completely online. In a world of permanently impaired/limited social gathering, commercial RE is really left holding the bag. Just my conjecture there, again I know little about the intricacies of commercial RE.

The bright spot I see is that there has been so much stimulus pumped into the system and unlike 2008, at least some of it is literal helicopter money, being given directly to consumers and businesses instead of the banking system. As the political fallout from this virus takes hold, I think there will be more and more bailouts for "main street" which should be very inflationary. Like during WWII, the Fed will cap yields at some low level, so as sovereign bondholders realize they the ones who are going to take a haircut, you could have an epic amount of capital come racing out of bonds looking for any yield and even just 0%. Some will move to stocks and some to gold, but I think a lot of that capital will flow into real estate, farmland, etc.

Just my $0.02

Good luck out there to everyone!