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All Forum Posts by: Hoi L.

Hoi L. has started 10 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: Should I put my first investment residential property into a LLC?

Hoi L.
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  • Chadds Ford, PA
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Originally posted by @Kerry Baird:

@Hoi L., yes, we still personally guarantee.  My lender still pulls credit.  

 @Kerry Baird

Thanks for your info!

Post: Should I put my first investment residential property into a LLC?

Hoi L.
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  • Chadds Ford, PA
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Originally posted by @Michael Temple:

I think you will find a million differing answers on this one. It really depends on your particular circumstances. I close my properties and keep rentals in my LLC. If financing becomes an issue I will do it in my name and then deed it into the LLC after closing. If you have good LLC laws in your state that offer a lot of charging order protection then it is even better.

I know some investors that keep them in their own name, but for reasons of privacy and asset protection, it is better in an LLC. I don't see any downside at all and a lot of upside benefits.

Would putting the title/deed under the LLC after the loan closing under my name trigger the lender to call the loan? Heard that they have the legality to do it due to loss of cause, but the banks don't usually do it if the borrower has a good record in paying their debt with good credit history.

Thanks for your advice. 

Post: Should I put my first investment residential property into a LLC?

Hoi L.
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  • Chadds Ford, PA
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  • Votes 25
Originally posted by @Kerry Baird:

I close in my LLC and I don't have the substantial income, nor collectible cars that you have. Just have a lot of houses and prefer using DSCR mortgages now. I have fewer hoops to jump through, for one. Not so much in the way of reserve requirements, as an example. For another, I can buy in my LLC all day long. Lastly, they don't use my W-2 income, they look at how the houses perform. I have both short and long term SFR rentals. Specifically we use a corporate holding company and a Texas series LLC.

So, I think I would need to start showing a consistent rental income through the LLC (preferably 2 years, but at least 6 months) for any lender to feel comfortable to lend/cash out refinance for my property/ies? Now that you have a series LLC with holding company, do you have to guarantee personally on those loans to your LLC properties? Still have an umbrella policy too? Thanks for all your advice!

Post: Should I put my first investment residential property into a LLC?

Hoi L.
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  • New to Real Estate
  • Chadds Ford, PA
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 25

Hello fellow BP friends!

Just agreed on our first residential SFP and waiting for the closing in mid-November. Wondering if I should buy it through our newly setup LLC or buy it under our name.

Background:

-we are both physicians practicing for greater than 10 years, have multiple assets via outside investments and collectible cars, etc, so we set up a LLC for the REI venture

-obtained HELOC (primary residence) for $164k fixed at 3.39% for 30 years ($726/mo) through our long-term bank (since 2007)

-buying our first investment residential property for $215k all cash, due to multiple bids SFP with seller choosing us due to cash buy and they rejected a higher offer that required mortgage contingency (BP calculator: +$145/mo cash flow after HELOC, expenses, etc)

1. We are looking to use this 100% owned SFP and get a cash-out refinance/HELOC and use the capital to buy another property, etc

2. Should we buy it under our LLC or under our name and then transfer it to our LLC after refinance?

I know that some recommendations are use "quitclaim" deed transfer, or transfer it to my LLC after cash-out-refinance under my name and risk the mortgage company calling the loan, or simply keep it under our names and buy an umbrella policy, etc

What would you choose/recommend?

thanks!

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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  • Chadds Ford, PA
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@Alan Nelson My loan officer at the local PNC branch worked out some numbers for me. The LTV ratio is <80% and she helped me to ensure that the variable rate can be "fixed" once 100% disbursed at the SAME rate for 30 years, 3.14%, as the current variable rate at 3.14%. If I wanted to fix it for 15-yr, then 2.84%, and 10 yr at 2.64%. It is at the PNC branch at Concordville PA, by West Chester PA. Hope this helps.

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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10/14 closing on a 30 yr HELOC with fixed rate after disbursement at 3.14%!

Thank you all for your help and advice!

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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Originally posted by @Matt Groth:

@Ned Carey can you imagine, even 5 or 10 years ago, saying 3ish percent, for 30 years, is "high "?

I know. When I bought my first house in 2007, interests were ~6-7% and it was low. Refinanced once at 5% before selling in 2014. Now, my current house is refinanced at 1.95% (1.98 APR).

Another thing I should mention: I am planning to retire in 15 years from my regular job and hopefully, I don't go chasing for more investment units by then also.  Therefore, just looking for the lowest 15 yr rate.

Thanks for the continual advice and pointers.  

Keep them coming!

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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Originally posted by @Ryan Howell:

Typically HELOCs are variable...if you can get a 30y fixed rate HELOC at 3.15%, I would take that all day long.

There are two reasons to do a refinance instead of a HELOC - #1 is variable rate - the rate will swing with the market, so if you want to pull out money from a property to invest in another property, you would be smarter to do a cash out refi typically because its fixed rate and the HELOC is variable. So my normal advice is to only use a HELOC for short term funds...BUT if you're getting a 30y fixed HELOC, that changes the game significantly. Now you can pay down and draw on that money when you want, saving a ton of interest over time. If you do a cash out refinance, and you pay it down, you have to refinance to ever access that equity again, now you've solved that problem.

The 2nd reason for a refinance over HELOC is it is less likely to be called by the bank since its a bank product (cash out refi isn't going to be called unless there is a due on sale clause you violate which is still low risk). I would still treat lightly here and study the product to see if you think that's a risk or not. If they give you a fixed rate, but rates jump to 7%, they may just call the note due.

Do you mind sharing the name of the bank offering the HELOC? Are they national?

Thanks for the advise!
It is from PNC Bank here in the Northeast

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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  • Chadds Ford, PA
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The reason I felt 3.15% was too high for now is because I qualified and was in application to get a 15 yr mortgage for an investment property at 3.0% already, so HELOC at 3.15% wouldn't make sense for now.

Post: HELOC fixed rates advice needed

Hoi L.
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Originally posted by @Ryan Howell:

I would likely go with 30 year.....My opinion is inflation is rising and so will interest rates.  I'd rather be higher, but know my rate is secure.  I also only use HELOCs for short term....6mo at a time.  For 6 months at a time, this is a max $720 decision between the 5yr and 30y rate.  That seems like a fair price to insure yourself against inflation or rising interest rates.

Thank you for the quick response.  

So what you're saying is: if I choose a 30yr term, even if I take out the whole $160k at a higher rate (3.1 vs 2.2), the difference in total interests paid in 6 months is $720?  And I can do it over and over again?  Also, the $160k rate at 3.1% is held for the next 30 yr with only p/i payments during the time the money is out of the account?

thanks