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All Forum Posts by: Hobart King

Hobart King has started 16 posts and replied 79 times.

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @David Dachtera:

@Hobart King,

Those numbers do sound a bit high. That said, your chances of damage due to hurricane / tropical storm remnants look to be considerable, especially with what we've seen this year. The outlook going forward is, well, less than "rosy".

My $0.02 ...

Birmingham is in North Central, Alabama. No Hurricanes here LOL. Tornadoes occasionally but rarely in Birmingham (More common in the West of the state). 

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @Michael Deering:

That sounds extremely high. I pay as little as $550 in AZ and $900 in PA for 3-4-bedroom rentals. Did you call your agent and ask them to explain the factors that are driving up the price? I have a few pre rehab properties that were canceled after the exterior inspection because they were vacant and in disrepair. Are your rentals in good shape?

Yes - very good shape. One is basically a brand new house with new everything. The other one is structurally sound and has a long term tenant. Going to renovate once he decides to move on. I think the state of the property shouldn't be influencing the insurance up.  

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40
Originally posted by @John Teachout:

Those premiums are very high. However, you didn't provide the details that can affect policy rates. Some examples are history of previous losses, type of ownership, even your credit score can play into it.

Did you shop various companies when the property was insured? or did someone else come up with this situation? Either way, I suspect you're way overpaying based on my experience insuring multiple properties. Another thing to watch for is that many insurance companies do "cramming" which is adding things to the policy that aren't required. On an auto policy an example of this would be things like road service and towing even though you didn't request that coverage. I have my insurance people strip policies down on a regular basis to save on premiums. Selecting a very low deductible can significantly add to the premium. Also various kinds of coverage are available such as replacement cost and actual cash value. If you have an old property with replacement cost, it's based on how much it would cost to rebuild the property, not what it's currently worth. Review the line items in the policy and see what it is you're being billed for.

I've never filed a claim in my life, owned in a 50/50 Partnership, and I have a very high credit score as does my partner. I looked at the policy and it seemed to just cover the basics - fire, liability, and sewer backup.  

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

@Marc Rice

Good idea I’ll reach out and see what the savings are.

I see you are from Columbus! Nice city lived there 6 years prior to moving back to Bham, AL. Boy do I wish when I moved there in 2013 I had bought a house in Italian Village (rented an apt there).

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

@John Patton

It’s not that bad of an area. It’s adjacent to Crestwood North and south of the tracks of Woodlawn. There’s definitely poverty and vacant houses there but I think crime is low (closer to CW North than Woodlawn). I think I may be getting screwed somehow by it being close in proximity to Woodlawn and East Lake. I’ve gotten high quotes from virtually every insurer I’ve looked at. The one I have is high but actually LOWER significantly than other quotes I’ve got. Seriously it’s just insane.

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

Lemonade is not in AL yet :(

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

It absolutely is insane. In Alabama, the major danger is tornados but I don't even think that's covered in my policy. My personal property insurance is only ~$100 per month for a house that was around $400k and I'm paying more than double for houses that cost ~$100k to replace. Makes no sense

Post: Insurance is killing my rentals

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

Can someone tell me what a normal amount is to pay for Insurance on low end rental properties? I own two rental properties in a 50/50 partnership in Birmingham, AL. 

Rental 1: Market Value ~50k. Insurance Payments are $1,829/year and rent is $590/mo. 

Rental 2: Market Value - $120k. Insurance Payments are $2,244/year and rent is $1,100/mo. 

Carrying Fire insurance 70k on the first and 100k on the second. Personal Liability $1MM on each. 

Does this seem in line with market rates? I feel like this is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to pay to fire, water backup, and liability insurance. What are other people paying? Anyone you guys would recommend?

No loans on either of these properties. Would it be better to just not have insurance and be out the money in the minuscule chance that these houses burn down? I can always get personal umbrella coverage to cover the liability I think. 

Thanks,
Hobie

Post: Appraisal and Lender Questions

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

@Clayton Smith Progress Bank in Bham usually lends at 80% LTV. Maybe you should give them a call.

Post: Appraisal and Lender Questions

Hobart KingPosted
  • Financial Services
  • Birmingham, AL
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 40

@Joseph Firmin Thanks - I'll do that!