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All Forum Posts by: Hariharan Elavarasan

Hariharan Elavarasan has started 15 posts and replied 21 times.

Quote from @Peter W.:

Generally, your total returns are highest when you are most leveraged.  Maximum returns occur by doing a cash out refinance or 1031 exchange into two properties when your mortgage is about 60% of the property value.  Assuming low property appreciation (2.5%) and 20% down you should be able to buy a second property from the first every 6-7 years. The process should take 20 years to get you to 10 without adding any more money yourself.

With the Dave Ramsey plan you would be better off putting everything into stocks (less work and similar returns).

More realistically you are house hacking right now. with 5% down payment you should be able to purchase a new home every couple of years. Which will shave years off the process above. I have little kids so I don’t house hack, but paying off mortgage to get rid of mortgage insurance sooner may be beneficial. I don’t know.

You can always become less aggressive later if you want (or the amount of debt is causing stress).


Cash out refinance when the mortgage reaches 60% of home value? 
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

No - don't pay down fixed rate debt


 Can you elaborate?

Quote from @Theresa Harris:

How much you'd be in debt really depends on how much the bank will actually lend you, so you may or may not be able to reach your goal of 10 properties.

for increasing payments on the existing rental, how much does your bank allow you to pay with out penalty? If you want to buy more properties and have the room in your DTI ratio, then saving the money instead of paying down your current mortgage, will let you get your next rental more quickly. If you have no more room in your DTI ratio and can't get another loan, then start by paying the highest interest rate mortgage down first. Interest rates aren't what they were 5 years ago (when they were really low). Current rates are more typical, but that means buying a house is also more expensive.

It's nice that you bought your parents a car, but why a $50K car?  That money could have gone towards your next rental and you could have got them a $20K car.

It was a bit more than that without down payment, but I bought it as my first thank you for putting me through college debt free. They worked incredibly hard and have partially neglected their own retirement to make sure I made it to where I am. At the time we had two cars and I took one for my job, so we needed another car at home. I decided to get them a nicer car to have. Looking back, yes we didn't need to, but life's gotta be lived at some points. And not to mention, I had no idea about real estate investing until a couple months after! We are lucky enough to still have the car, and make these investments as well!

I'll have to find out about the early payment penalty. My current DTI is 18%, I've heard that being under 35% is favorable. Do you think a good plan would be to take on debt(real estate, personal mortgage, car loans) until I'm at 35%, then pause and do some debt payoffs, then go back up to 35% and rinse and repeat till I hit my goals?
Quote from @KC Pake:
Quote from @Hariharan Elavarasan:

I bought my first rental property earlier this year. Cash flow after I move out (house hacking) and renovating should be 200-300. 30 yr fixed mortgage @ 6.625% with about 76,000 left. Over time, I'll end up paying 96k in interest payments. I had originally planned to buy 9 more properties, hopefully around or below 150k with a 200 cash flow. Then I wanted to snowball pay off all 10. Of course these are approximate numbers and anything can happen, but I anticipated it taking 25-30 years to do this process. At one point, I'd approx. be 1 million in debt, and it will always be hinging on all 10 rentals' tenants paying on time, and no major major problems.

Into my Youtube feed comes ye olde Dave Ramsey (surely you know where this is going). I'm wondering if I should just pay off this property in full before moving to my next one. I'm young, and I make a very good salary for my age. By summer I should have a good emergency fund, and even if my future share of rent when I move in with my partner is $1,800, I could still have an extra $1,100 to contribute to the loan. I could go from making a $780 payment to a $2000 ($780 from tenant rent - cap ex, utilities, prop mgmt etc, $200-$300 from cash flow, $1100 from personal). I could get this paid off by late 2027/early 2026, and save 90k in interest.

I'd then be sitting on $900-700 cash flow without considering rent increases. Then I'd pick up another mortgage and do the same thing. I'd be snowballing these one by one, but at any given time have 100-150k real estate debt (not considering personal home debt, personal car loan)

What makes more sense? The payoff method sounds slower, I'd probably only get to the same 10 properties in 35 years (I haven't considered how quickly it'll snowball, maybe the last 5 may take only 10 years to do with all the cash flow from 5 paid off properties), but I'm not desperate for real estate cash flow. Without it I can very comfortably live and retire. Just doing this to help my parents in retirement, and help my future children get through college debt free as my parents did for me.

For context, during this time, I'd always be maxing out my company match for 401K, maxing out my Roth IRA, have 15k for emergency fund. I'd have to cut back on my travel budget for the month, pay off the car I bought my parents (50k loan in Sep 2022, 28k left to go, my dad and I pay it together), and ensure that lifestyle doesn't change as rapidly. I understand that I'd probably only get my dream home when I'm 50, and that major things like changing budgets, children, health will impact this timeline, but it seems like a low risk real estate method, that will have a similar enough payoff due the fact that I'm fortunate to be making a good salary.

Apologies to anyone reading this thinking I'm trying to brag in anyway. We all come from different walks of life and I'm incredibly fortunate/grateful to have hard working parents that were able to get me to this position. And I respect those of you who aren't as fortunate and have had to work hard to claw their way up to where you are today, that definitely is and always will be a bigger achievement then where I may end up. Just looking for the advice of those hard workers if they could start over in my position. Thank you all!

Greetings Hariharan,

Congratulations on your first rental property!

Given your stable income and the ability to set aside substantial funds for loan repayment, the payoff method could save you significant interest expenses. However, it will likely slow down your portfolio expansion. It's crucial to consider factors like market conditions, interest rates, and your long-term financial goals.

Balancing your investment strategy with other financial commitments, such as maxing out your 401K and Roth IRA, maintaining an emergency fund, and managing personal debts, is also important. Remember, real estate investment involves risks, such as reliance on tenant payments (like you mentioned) and potential, unexpected, property maintenance/repair issues.

In conclusion, both strategies have their merits. The payoff method offers a more conservative, lower-debt approach, potentially reducing financial risk but slowing down portfolio growth. Your initial strategy allows for faster expansion but carries higher debt and interest costs. Your final decision should align with your comfort level with debt, investment goals, and personal financial situation.  I understand this is not a definitive answer, but hopefully, it adds some considerations to your thought process.

Best of luck with your future investments,
KC


 Thank you for the reply! Appreciate the advice!

I bought my first rental property earlier this year. Cash flow after I move out (house hacking) and renovating should be 200-300. 30 yr fixed mortgage @ 6.625% with about 76,000 left. Over time, I'll end up paying 96k in interest payments. I had originally planned to buy 9 more properties, hopefully around or below 150k with a 200 cash flow. Then I wanted to snowball pay off all 10. Of course these are approximate numbers and anything can happen, but I anticipated it taking 25-30 years to do this process. At one point, I'd approx. be 1 million in debt, and it will always be hinging on all 10 rentals' tenants paying on time, and no major major problems.

Into my Youtube feed comes ye olde Dave Ramsey (surely you know where this is going). I'm wondering if I should just pay off this property in full before moving to my next one. I'm young, and I make a very good salary for my age. By summer I should have a good emergency fund, and even if my future share of rent when I move in with my partner is $1,800, I could still have an extra $1,100 to contribute to the loan. I could go from making a $780 payment to a $2000 ($780 from tenant rent - cap ex, utilities, prop mgmt etc, $200-$300 from cash flow, $1100 from personal). I could get this paid off by late 2027/early 2026, and save 90k in interest.

I'd then be sitting on $900-700 cash flow without considering rent increases. Then I'd pick up another mortgage and do the same thing. I'd be snowballing these one by one, but at any given time have 100-150k real estate debt (not considering personal home debt, personal car loan)

What makes more sense? The payoff method sounds slower, I'd probably only get to the same 10 properties in 35 years (I haven't considered how quickly it'll snowball, maybe the last 5 may take only 10 years to do with all the cash flow from 5 paid off properties), but I'm not desperate for real estate cash flow. Without it I can very comfortably live and retire. Just doing this to help my parents in retirement, and help my future children get through college debt free as my parents did for me.

For context, during this time, I'd always be maxing out my company match for 401K, maxing out my Roth IRA, have 15k for emergency fund. I'd have to cut back on my travel budget for the month, pay off the car I bought my parents (50k loan in Sep 2022, 28k left to go, my dad and I pay it together), and ensure that lifestyle doesn't change as rapidly. I understand that I'd probably only get my dream home when I'm 50, and that major things like changing budgets, children, health will impact this timeline, but it seems like a low risk real estate method, that will have a similar enough payoff due the fact that I'm fortunate to be making a good salary.

Apologies to anyone reading this thinking I'm trying to brag in anyway. We all come from different walks of life and I'm incredibly fortunate/grateful to have hard working parents that were able to get me to this position. And I respect those of you who aren't as fortunate and have had to work hard to claw their way up to where you are today, that definitely is and always will be a bigger achievement then where I may end up. Just looking for the advice of those hard workers if they could start over in my position. Thank you all!

I bought my first rental property earlier this year. Cash flow after I move out (house hacking) and renovating should be 200-300. 30 yr fixed mortgage @ 6.625% with about 76,000 left. Over time, I'll end up paying 96k in interest payments. I had originally planned to buy 9 more properties, hopefully around or below 150k with a 200 cash flow. Then I wanted to snowball pay off all 10. Of course these are approximate numbers and anything can happen, but I anticipated it taking 25-30 years to do this process. At one point, I'd approx. be 1 million in debt, and it will always be hinging on all 10 rentals' tenants paying on time, and no major major problems. 

Into my Youtube feed comes ye olde Dave Ramsey (surely you know where this is going). I'm wondering if I should just pay off this property in full before moving to my next one. I'm young, and I make a very good salary for my age. By summer I should have a good emergency fund, and even if my future share of rent when I move in with my partner is $1,800, I could still have an extra $1,100 to contribute to the loan. I could go from making a $780 payment to a $2000 ($780 from tenant rent - cap ex, utilities, prop mgmt etc, $200-$300 from cash flow, $1100 from personal). I could get this paid off by late 2027/early 2026, and save 90k in interest. 

I'd then be sitting on $900-700 cash flow without considering rent increases. Then I'd pick up another mortgage and do the same thing. I'd be snowballing these one by one, but at any given time have 100-150k real estate debt (not considering personal home debt, personal car loan) 

What makes more sense? The payoff method sounds slower, I'd probably only get to the same 10 properties in 35 years (I haven't considered how quickly it'll snowball, maybe the last 5 may take only 10 years to do with all the cash flow from 5 paid off properties), but I'm not desperate for real estate cash flow. Without it I can very comfortably live and retire. Just doing this to help my parents in retirement, and help my future children get through college debt free as my parents did for me. 

For context, during this time, I'd always be maxing out my company match for 401K, maxing out my Roth IRA, have 15k for emergency fund. I'd have to cut back on my travel budget for the month, pay off the car I bought my parents (50k loan in Sep 2022, 28k left to go, my dad and I pay it together), and ensure that lifestyle doesn't change as rapidly. I understand that I'd probably only get my dream home when I'm 50, and that major things like changing budgets, children, health will impact this timeline, but it seems like a low risk real estate method, that will have a similar enough payoff due the fact that I'm fortunate to be making a good salary.

Apologies to anyone reading this thinking I'm trying to brag in anyway. We all come from different walks of life and I'm incredibly fortunate/grateful to have hard working parents that were able to get me to this position. And I respect those of you who aren't as fortunate and have had to work hard to claw their way up to where you are today, that definitely is and always will be a bigger achievement then where I may end up. Just looking for the advice of those hard workers if they could start over in my position. Thank you all!

I just bought a duplex that I’m going to househack. I plan on doing smaller jobs like cleaning and painting by myself in the unit I’ll be living in. There is a kitchen that needs redone and an attic that I could finish for a 3rd bedroom. I don’t think Ill be able to save and spend enough for all these tasks over the year I plan on living there. To set the scene: 

I have a tenant in the bottom unit, renting for $800. My mortgage is $800. With other expenses like maint, cap ex, vacancy, i estimate $1300 in monthly costs. After my savings and what I’ll pay myself, Ill have $1000 to put towards the property per month. I’m starting with $9000. So hopefully I’m working with $21,000 over the course of a year.

What are my options? Has anyone taken an additional loan on top of mortgage to do home renovations? Ive heard about zero interest credit cards for 18 months, but concerned that id rack up a big bill. Any suggestions?

Post: First business checking account

Hariharan ElavarasanPosted
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I'M UNDER CONTRACT!!!! I can't believe I'm actually here and things are finally moving. I started learning and saving 4 months ago and I'm excited to get to the next steps.

I wanted to go ahead an setup a business checking account and they asked me for a business tax identification number. Should I apply for an EIN? And if I need to, what do I apply under? I was going to put sole proprietorship, but eventually I do want to make an LLC, just not right now. I guess I just want a step by step process to create my accounts for this first rental property. Appreciate any help!!!

Post: Accounting and Banking

Hariharan ElavarasanPosted
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  • Votes 16

I'M UNDER CONTRACT!!!! I can't believe I'm actually here and things are finally moving. I started learning and saving 4 months ago and I'm excited to get to the next steps.

I wanted to go ahead an setup a business checking account and they asked me for a business tax identification number. Should I apply for an EIN? And if I need to, what do I apply under? I was going to put sole proprietorship, but eventually I do want to make an LLC, just not right now. I guess I just want a step by step process to create my accounts for this first rental property. Appreciate any help!!!

Post: Raising Rents in Underrented Properties

Hariharan ElavarasanPosted
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  • Votes 16

When looking at rental properties, Im coming across rents for 2 bd apartments that are roughly 550-700, but the market indicates a 2 bedroom should be around 900-950. When you see a property like this, how do you raise rents efficiently to ensure cash flow? I’m guessing its not as simple as raising it to market when leases end or renew