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All Forum Posts by: Hanon Hines

Hanon Hines has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Truebooks CPA - Feedback

Hanon HinesPosted
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Whew! I'm so glad I came across this thread. Thank you all for sharing your experiences!

Originally posted by @Ola Dantis:

I always say in business, language and persuasion are two very important ingredients needed to be really successful. If you have these two skills, you are absolutely dangerous. 

These two things will definitely help convince this seller to go with you instead of getting the "top dollar" in March when he lists the property on the current hot market. 

What we do is persuade the seller using numbers and the potential profits that he/she will get if they gave us the deal (see below screenshot). Plus, I then write a very personalized letter to go with the offer. Sometimes for larger deals, we will create an offering prospectus to the Seller in conjunction with the two documents aforementioned. 

Screenshot showing Profits To OWner and the Different Downpayment options. (I can send the spreadsheet). 

With these documents and you listening attentively for motivation cues every time you speak with the Seller, you can't go wrong!

 This is great! I would like a copy of this spreadsheet if you wouldn't mind? Thank you!

Originally posted by @Dan Maciejewski:

@Hanon Hines

I am a Realtor, so I use the Realtor contract for my state.  There's an addendum for seller financing.  Then an attorney draws up the actual note.  

If that's your goal, you might want to look at interest-only with a balloon.  You pay the balloon payment (the purchase price) when you refinance. I always start with a 30-year amortization.  I would suggest giving yourself plenty of room / time to get the refinance.

If this is your first time dealing with this do a lot of research.  Here is an intro article from Investopedia.  You can also search around here for previous threads and blog posts.

As an aside -- If you put your text below the quote, BP won't blur out your text.  It does that for long quotes, and anything above the quote is included in the blur.

 I appreciate your help and time, Dan. Thank you!!

Thanks, Blaine. How are you handling your situation? What was your angle? 

Originally posted by @Blaine Alger:

The trick with owner finance conversations is that you can't approach the seller with owner finance as your only option. 

The reason you are looking for owner finance opportunities in the first place is  because you don't have access to bank financing (that is the scenario I am in). Once this comes up in the conversation with the Seller they will start to think, "if the bank won't lend money to you, then why should I?". So just make sure you make it a point that this is just one of the options that the seller has but not the only. 

You have to tread lightly and be able to pitch it in the right approach. 

-BA

Thank you, Steve. Where would I be able to find an example of a well written contract. I'm fully aware that the language will be different depending on the state I live, and would need to review/written by an experienced attorney. I'd just like to see a strong contract so as to be able to structure it with different scenarios. Thanks again!

Originally posted by @Steve Morris:

Well, if the tenant is the only issue, just sign an assign/assumption agreement on the lease and honor it from close until the lease ends.

As far as making seller financing attractive, if I was a seller I'd like to see:

1) Sizable down (which is why it may not be an advantage to a buyer)

2) Higher rate than market (another reason it may not appeal) since you're not closing at close

3) Some kind of default provision if you lay waste to the property or (if it's effective) you don't pay an existing mort or prop taxes and the prop goes into default with some penalties.

Thanks, Dan. This makes sense. I'm looking to realistically do this for about a year before getting the home refinanced to pay him off. Do you have any advice on where I could find an example contract that I can get more of an idea on how these things are structured? 

Originally posted by @Dan Maciejewski:

If you're already in conversation with him, and it sounds like you are, it's not a huge deal.  First, is it paid off?  If not, is the current loan assumable?  Then ask if he's ever thought about it.   

My phrasing starts with, "Have you ever thought about seller financing, or do you need the cash out?"  They always say they need the cash.  Then you can get into motivation:  "What are you planning to buy?"  Often it's nothing, they just think they want the cash.  

If they are a high earner, seller financing can be a way to spread out capital gains for tax purposes.  It's also a great way to keep the cash flow he was getting from the tenant but without the liability of owning a property -- he just owns a cash flowing note.

Go to calculatestuff . com and play with some terms to offer -- it's good to already have some options.  I linked to the interest-only calculator because that's the one I use most often but they have all sorts.

Basically you'll want to know all the benefits to him to finance you.

Hello all- I need your advice. I found this great property and I'd like to pitch the idea to the owner for a Seller Finance situation. He's looking to put the home on the market in March, for a really good price. However, he is motivated to move sooner. He currently has a tenant in the space (which is why he wants to wait). I'd like to present to him an attractive Seller Finance deal, but I don't know where/how to begin. I'm also not able to go the conventional mortgage route so this option might be the best (unless I should be looking into something better?). Any advice would be immensely appreciated!