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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 15 posts and replied 93 times.

Post: Lessons Learned - Retaining Walls are the Worst!!!

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  • Collegeville, PA
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@Greg Powers 

- It is funny (and ironic) that it was plain sight but I remember going back and forth with the previous owner about how the back steps didn't have a railing and it wasn't up to code...talk about picking the wrong battle.

@Larry Turowski 

- the 1st picture is the "Before" picture which shows the wall torn down and the driveway damaged. The 2nd picture is the "After" (from a different angle) picture that shows the block wall up. I was thinking about RTO b/c we might be able to get some $ up front and additional cash flow every month towards the down payment, which could cover our PITI but we're definitely not sold on the idea. We have a week or so to make up our minds.

Post: Lessons Learned - Retaining Walls are the Worst!!!

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  • Accountant
  • Collegeville, PA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 25

@Larry Turowski , thanks for sharing. The verdict is still out on how we will do since we haven't sold it, but needless to say, there will be a very large variance between budget vs. actual! We will try listing it and selling it straight up. But we've been thinking about rent to buy. Haven't done it before but it might be a way to salvage something out of the deal.

@Mark Del Grosso , I sure hope so!

@Mike H. , I agree 100% and thanks for sharing. I'm hoping I can get some free lessons along the way as well!!!

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Post: Lessons Learned - Retaining Walls are the Worst!!!

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  • Accountant
  • Collegeville, PA
  • Posts 105
  • Votes 25

Hi Everyone -

I wanted to share my recent experience with the community. Just thinking about writing this post is making me sick but I'm hoping others can learn from our mistakes...

One of our flips has a driveway that is supported by a retaining wall 125 ft. long, with the lowest point of 1 ft. high and highest point of 12 ft.. Imagine a right triangle of sorts.

After buying the property in the fall of 2013 and completing the rehab Dec 2013, our neighbor noticed that the wall was bulging and didn't look structurally sound. Worried for his own safety (the wall separates our house and his), he approached our contractor and asked what was being done about the wall. Our contractor replied "Nothing, it's not part of our scope". We never heard about this conversation...

A month later we get a violation letter from the township stating that our wall was not structurally sound and we needed to get an engineer to evaluate its soundness and if needed, remediate it. That was January 2014...

We hired an engineer to take a look at the wall and write up plans. $1,500 later, we had plans (which were approved by the township) that required demo'ing the existing wall, demo'g some of the driveway and building a new wall including creating a 10 ft. footer to support the wall. When I first heard this, it sounded like a lot of work...boy we had no clue...

We hired a contractor to execute the plan for $15,000. We paid him 1/3 up front and he got started. A week in, we get a call from the township inspector stating that our contractor never took a copy of the plans and that the footer he created was 2 ft. (not 10 ft. like the plans required). Upon learning this fun fact, we questioned our contractor "Did you read the plans...Did you notice it called for a 10 ft. footer?" to which we never got a straight answer. We ended up letting him go and losing $5,000 in the mix...

What followed was a 6 month miserable attempt in identifying an engineer that could draft up plans for a wall that didn't require a 10 ft. footer (b/c doing a footer required digging up our neighbor's property) and a contractor that could execute. We went through a handful of contractors and engineers resulting in some empty promises (no call backs) to getting bids ranging from $32,500 to $52,000! Meanwhile, our neighbor got his lawyer involved and we were then talking w/ an attorney about what an easement may entail and asking about when the work would be done. Hell on earth...

We finally identified a contractor and engineer (referred from the neighbor's daughter, who is also a rehabber, but past on our house because she knew about the wall issue...). We ended up spending $25,000 more to complete this wall by September 2014, 9 months since receiving the violation letter.

We have now held this God forsaken house for 14 months and will be putting back on the market sometime in the next week or so. Oh by the way, this house is very close to a highway...it doesn't get any better than this folks...

There are so many lessons that we learned here, I don't know where to start. But here are the ones that really stick out to me:

1. Be friendly with your neighbors from day 1. Introduce yourself, hand out business cards and let them know to contact you if anything ever happens while you own your flip. If we would have done that from the beginning, the township's involvement could have been avoided. If you can, talk to neighbors as you are inspecting the property for the 1st time. (before you buy). They could have that nugget of information that could save you $$$$ or in my case, would have caused to run as far as possible form this house!!!

2. Take a step back when walking through a property and try not to get too excited about the prospect of buying your next flip. We might have identified the problem with the wall if we weren't so excited about getting our next flip.

3. Manage your contractors, have definitive deadlines to address the renovation in short order and be in regular communication with them. If you can't devote the time, hire a project manager. This is huge! Because we are were all part time, we heavily relied on our contractors to take responsibility of getting the plans and executing and we went on our Mary way. We should have been significantly more involved earlier and more often.

4. Don't assume anything; question everything. Just because the professional engineer drafted up plans and the township approved them, doesn't mean they are right! The 1st set of plans called for work to be completed 10 feet into the neighbor's property but no one seemed to worry about whether the neighbor was ok with it! People more experienced than us (and you) make mistakes. This goes for anybody else you work with that influence your decision making process.

5. Hiring an inspector isn't a guarantee. We hired a home inspector and the wall wasn't mentioned once. Contemplating lawsuit against the inspector required us to review our contract w/ him which stated that at most, the inspector was liable up to 2x his fee (a whopping $700!). Having an inspector is good b/c it is another set of eyes, but have realistic expectations.

6. Involve a public adjuster before getting your insurance involved. As soon as we received the violation letter, we should have taken pictures of the existing wall and reached out to a public adjuster. Instead we didn't really think about it until months down the road. On top of that, we involved our insurance co. before we got a public adjuster which significantly reduced the probability of getting a claim paid. Public adjusters are your advocate in working with your insurance company.

I hope you enjoyed this forum post as much as I did. I hope to be posting about a success story to offset this learning experience.

Post: Qualifying Questions for homeowner interested in selling their home

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  • Collegeville, PA
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Hi @Jamie Wooley , the main questions I ask are (1) why are you selling your home? (2) what work does it need? (3) How much is it worth? (4) What's the least amount you consider selling it?

Post: Investors in Norristown, PA

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  • Collegeville, PA
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Hi @Eleena de Lisser , I look in certain parts of Norristown for fix and flips. What's going on?

Post: Inept about construction matters. Help!

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  • Accountant
  • Collegeville, PA
  • Posts 105
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@Paul Winka , I'm in the same boat...I'm a finance/accounting guy by trade and have never been handy!

I'm in no way an expert in construction but I think reading books like "The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs" by J Scott is a good baseline on typical renovations needed. J does a good job on giving you some background on the what is done and why.

Also, I've been asking a lot of questions when I walk through a property with a GC and things are starting to click. Also, when I have a few GCs coming out to bid on a project, I would ask a ton of questions to the 1st GC (as I always do) and then by the time the 2nd guy comes, my questioning is even more focused.

I've heard of people getting technical training at places like Orleans Institute (in Philadelphia, not sure if that is a national school) and have had some success but I think learning through being on the site and asking questions is how I'm going at it. I try and keep a journal of my daily activities including things I learn. Most of the time, the things I learn re: renovation and construction.

Lastly, you could find an experienced investor/mentor and work out some bartering system. Have him/her involved when evaluating a property with a GC and in exchange give your time for something. Since my background is finance and accounting, I've worked out a system where what I can provide is finance and accounting advice in exchange for advice/help on building a real estate rehabbing business.

I've heard of people offering to drive around appraisers to their inspections in exchange for getting educated on the appraisal process. Things like that.

Good luck my man.

Post: How does everyone calculate ARV???

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  • Collegeville, PA
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@Bill Gulley , thanks for the response. Very lengthy and I likely will need to read a few times to digest everything :).

Quick question, it sounds like you are an appraiser or have an advanced working knowledge of the appraising process. Do you have any websites you could point me to that could break down the valuation process. Tutorials, self-studies etc. etc. That would be greatly appreciated!

Post: Agent vs Investor

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  • Collegeville, PA
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@Faiz Khan , first off congrats on getting into real estate!

Real estate can be a great way to financial independence.

My responses to your questions:

1. How should I approach an agent about it?

I think you tell them exactly what you want to do and be honest. Tell them that you will make a lot of offers and most will not be accepted. I can tell you most agents don't like doing this b/c in their eyes, it's a waste of time, so you will have to probably talk to a lot of them.

Along the way, I would still keep their contact info and then follow up periodically to see if they have any good leads. Agents have a lot of clients, so talking to them once will not be enough to ensure they remember you when they find a good property.

2. What criteria should I follow so that we both benefit from the relationship?

You could pay them something (small) every week based on the # of offers they make. If you go this route, make sure you agree that whatever you've paid them is offset against future commissions.

Or maybe offer to drive them around a few days a week in exchange for them to offer a set # of offers every week? I personally haven't done either, so I'm really just thinking out loud.

I've found investor friendly agents by googling for "Investor Friendly agents" (I love google). Word of caution, just b/c they have that wording on their website doesn't make them an ideal fit. You will have to talk to them and see what they are all about.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions. The name of the game is persistence.

Post: Hello

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  • Collegeville, PA
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@Cody Everett , welcome to the community! Good luck in your real estate pursuits and feel free to reach out if you ever have any questions.

Post: How does everyone calculate ARV???

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  • Collegeville, PA
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Hi everyone - Thanks for your responses.

@J Scott  , I want to determine after repair value. I believe that is resale value but shouldn't resell value and appraised value be generally in the same ball park?

@Robert Williams , I agree that the square footage could be off but if I do use it as a metric, I try to use the public records # because at least the tax assessor is using the same methodology (in theory).

@Larry Turowski , I make comp adjustments as well between what the subject property would be after I renovated and what the comps are. If your comps have maintained property (but not renovated) would you increase your ARV due to the fact you will likely invest significant amount of money into the property to update it?

I know valuation is as much an art as it is a science, but I'm also looking for ways to attempt and streamline a process as much as possible.