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All Forum Posts by: Greg Lyons

Greg Lyons has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: All in one 1st Lien HELOC

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6

Anyone have experience or insight into "All in One 1st Lien HELOC?"

Was pitched to me today as a means of chopping my primary home loan payoff time from 360 months down to about 120, without increasing my monthly payments.

Anyone with familiarity on the pros/ cons, I'd welcome perspective. I like the idea of paying off the mortgage 20 years faster and the flexibility of the HELOC that I might use to fund other rental investments.

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6

@Bjorn Ahlblad thanks, yes good reminder that a little premium (for the right deal) may be merited provided the right upside.

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Arn Cenedella:

@Greg Lyons

With $500,000 let’s say, you can buy a property worth $1,500,000 perhaps a little more.

In growth markets, 5% to 6% cash on cash is about the best you can hope for over the first year or two. You might get better cash flow in slower smaller markets.

$500,000 equity therefore might produce $30,000 a year $2,500 a month cash flow.

You can do the same with passive multifamily syndication investments.

I focus more on total return over the hold period.

Build equity now - cash flow is primarily a function of equity. The more equity the more cash flow.

Hope this helps.

PS I would try to buy one larger building than a bunch of smaller ones - easier to manage one location than say five locations.


 Thanks Arn, very helpful. I like the aspect of economies from one larger property. You hit a point I've been deliberating on as well, the question of buying for equity vs cash flow and the ability to convert / restructure to cash flow heavier when/if necessary, having grown equity position.  I'm attracted to the idea of switching full time to real estate investment in ~5 yrs or so and imagined cash flowing as much as possible as necessary to support my living costs, but suppose it'd be feasible to restructure in 3-5 years accordingly if I saw that the numbers would make sense. 

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6
Quote from @Patrick Drury:

@Greg Lyons
Something to keep in mind from my experience in Columbus, at least a lot of commercial lenders do not like to lend to out-of-state investors. You may not qualify for a commercial loan depending on if you already own real estate and what that situation looks like. The best way around this I have found is to have investors buy small residential multi-family like duplexes and 4-units then go after commercial deals after they already have a good foothold in that city. From my understanding, if an investor already owns real estate in that city, the chances of you getting a commercial loan just went up exponentially. I would recommend you talk to a commercial lender though and it might differ from city to city. 


 Thanks, had not realized or thought of that, but makes sense. 

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6

Thanks for the comments and feedback, thus far. It's greatly appreciated.  I'm open to syndication/LP opportunities as an alternative, for truer passive income potential. The $400-600k is down payment range. 

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6

@Greg Lyons I should add I've renovated two homes, and self managed one SFR for 4 years and would be relying on building a core team / property management in any out of state investment.

Post: Straight to commercial multifamily?

Greg LyonsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 6

Will be seeking to invest between 400-600k into multifamily, aiming for maximal cash on cash return. Initially thought duplexes or triplexes in B class properties in Cleveland suburbs (out of state, have family connections) but am debating if 5-20 unit commercial multifamily would be faster route to growing passive income (i know it won't be truly passive, lot of work to get it running well, management in place, etc). Appreciate any guidance from more experienced investors. My goal is to ease out of W-2 in the next 5 years if possible through out of state investing from new home base of Idaho.