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All Forum Posts by: Grant T.

Grant T. has started 6 posts and replied 39 times.

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Grant T.:

Those websites may be more challenging to find "good" deals, but there are still deals to be found. Trust your numbers rather than strangers on the internet.

Definitely, was more just curious on others history with them. I definitely have found some properties on there that if I had the cash at the time I would have pulled the trigger. 
Quote from @Remington Lyman:
Quote from @Grant T.:

I know that the term "good deals" is different for every investor but I am curious where people in the past have found the multifamily properties they bought? People in the past have told me "If it is listed on LoopNet or Redfin it is not a good deal". I used to believe them but after countless hours  over the months analyzing properties I believe I have come across multiple cash flowing properties with great room to add value and increase rent. For those to own or sell multifamily, do you believe that places like LoopNet and Redfin aren't good places to look for investment properties? Where have you found some of the properties you own or found for people? Are off market deals really the only way to go? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. 


 I would say I have bought 25% of my deals on market and 75% of my deals off market in Columbus, Ohio


 Well that is good to know someone is having success with on market deals. 

Quote from @Marc Rice:
Quote from @Grant T.:

I know that the term "good deals" is different for every investor but I am curious where people in the past have found the multifamily properties they bought? People in the past have told me "If it is listed on LoopNet or Redfin it is not a good deal". I used to believe them but after countless hours  over the months analyzing properties I believe I have come across multiple cash flowing properties with great room to add value and increase rent. For those to own or sell multifamily, do you believe that places like LoopNet and Redfin aren't good places to look for investment properties? Where have you found some of the properties you own or found for people? Are off market deals really the only way to go? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. 


Redfin pulls from local the local MLS which is mostly residential. Loopnet pulls from backend of Costar as an additional paid service where agents/brokers need to pay an additional $75-100/mo for it to show up on Loopnet. It is free to list on the back end of Costar.

I have found my best properties off market for myself and my clients. Networking with good investor friendly agents is invaluable.

Good to know and couldn't agree more. It seems like the most important part of real estate investing is who is on your team. 
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Grant T.:

I know that the term "good deals" is different for every investor but I am curious where people in the past have found the multifamily properties they bought? People in the past have told me "If it is listed on LoopNet or Redfin it is not a good deal". I used to believe them but after countless hours  over the months analyzing properties I believe I have come across multiple cash flowing properties with great room to add value and increase rent. For those to own or sell multifamily, do you believe that places like LoopNet and Redfin aren't good places to look for investment properties? Where have you found some of the properties you own or found for people? Are off market deals really the only way to go? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. 

 99% of the great deals are off market. I have done 100s and 100s and 100s, none where listed. Just go to the local forums and RE meetings 

All the best 

Good to know, Thank you Bob. 
Quote from @Matthew Masoud:
Quote from @Grant T.:
Quote from @Matthew Masoud:

Best deals I've gotten were found off market by contacting multifamily owners directly and making them an offer.

They net more because no agents are involved and I'm the only one competing so I'm likely to get a better price.

I've gotten good deals on market but they come in one of two ways.

1. It's been listed for a while (or fallen out of contract 2/3 times) and I come in with a low offer that gets accepted.

2. I make a cash offer without 1 hour of the property hitting the market and make it expire by end of business day.

Awesome Advice, I like the cash offer that expires at the end of the day. If the right property comes up, that is definitely something I would do. When it comes to off-market deals, how do you find the owners? Also, how do you find the financials, additional pictures, and anything else you need to confirm it is something you want to purchase? 

 I find the owners using a software called PropertyRadar. There are many out there that do the same thing but that's the one I went with.

Financials and any additional information needed to make an offer will need to come from the owner.

It's a lot of rejection but once you get the right owner on the phone you can get a sweet deal.

Awesome, I am going to take a look at that software. Thank you again for all the tips Matthew!
Quote from @Matthew Masoud:

Best deals I've gotten were found off market by contacting multifamily owners directly and making them an offer.

They net more because no agents are involved and I'm the only one competing so I'm likely to get a better price.

I've gotten good deals on market but they come in one of two ways.

1. It's been listed for a while (or fallen out of contract 2/3 times) and I come in with a low offer that gets accepted.

2. I make a cash offer without 1 hour of the property hitting the market and make it expire by end of business day.

Awesome Advice, I like the cash offer that expires at the end of the day. If the right property comes up, that is definitely something I would do. When it comes to off-market deals, how do you find the owners? Also, how do you find the financials, additional pictures, and anything else you need to confirm it is something you want to purchase? 
Quote from @Alex Craig:

@Grant T. Best deals are always direct to seller. Identify your market and then go on Zillow and see if you can find any buildings that seem to have high vacancy paired with crummy online marketing. Could be a sign of a tired landlord. Search for the buyer and contact them. Also, if his loan is resetting, maybe even more motivation as high vacancy and high interest rates is not a good combination.

Perfect advice, thank you. For high vacancy, any specific vacancy % you look for? 
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

There is not one commercial listing on earth that is a good deal. Sellers are delusional and know they have to be beaten up until the property gets sold. You have to play the game with each and every seller.


 I agree with this. These sellers seem crazy when it comes to the valuation of their property. At least the ones I've seen on Loopnet and Redfin.  

Quote from @Lucia Rushton:

@Grant T. My understanding is that Redfin only re-posts MLS listings of 1-4, just like Realtor.com And sometimes they are not as quick to update a listing once it has gone under contract or even sold.

Loop net is a different platform that posts commercial deals; any thing from retail, office to multifamily over 5 doors. Yes I have heard Loopnet is where deals go to die. But lots of good properties have been bought from there. Plus it is a good opportunity to form relationships with those brokers.

What are you looking for ?


 Yes, that is what I have heard about both too. I am looking for an apartment complex in Cleveland or Columbus Ohio. Anywhere from 15-30 units.  

I know that the term "good deals" is different for every investor but I am curious where people in the past have found the multifamily properties they bought? People in the past have told me "If it is listed on LoopNet or Redfin it is not a good deal". I used to believe them but after countless hours  over the months analyzing properties I believe I have come across multiple cash flowing properties with great room to add value and increase rent. For those to own or sell multifamily, do you believe that places like LoopNet and Redfin aren't good places to look for investment properties? Where have you found some of the properties you own or found for people? Are off market deals really the only way to go? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.