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All Forum Posts by: Grant Music

Grant Music has started 1 posts and replied 2 times.

Post: Father does not approve of my goals in REI

Grant MusicPosted
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 2
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Holy cow! Expected this to get lost in the forums. I really appreciate all the support, guys. Really picked me up. My father is also a very good arguer, so even if what he's saying is wrong, he's pretty damn convincing. After stepping away from our argument though, I've decided that the best thing to do is just show him. I'm going to talk to some of the big investors in this area and see if they'd be willing to show me some numbers they have on their properties so he can literally see a breakdown of the area I'm trying to buy and see that it performs well enough for it to be viable. If that doesn't work, I'm moving forward anyway and hopefully success will convince him.

Also for clarification purposes, he used to flip back in the day and had moderate success with it. His real success has been with the mortgage company he owns. So although he's been in real estate for awhile, he has not been involved with holding, which is where focused. He's all for me flipping houses if I want, but he is against buying properties in the C neighborhoods to hold. Everyone who's actually involved though--including highly experienced investors in the area--say this is where to go as other neighborhoods won't cash flow as well and are thus riskier even though the tenants may be a little easier to work with. 

I also don't seek him out for advice much because he is much busier than these other people who have seen success specifically with holding properties. He is also a very hands off kind of father and I think he prefers I learn things on my own rather than turning to him for everything, and I prefer it this way anyway. I think it makes life more real world for me and I learn to work more for my success. Thanks all for your answers and it's helped me feel more comfortable moving forward without having approval (yet). I guess I'll just have to show everyone instead.

Post: Father does not approve of my goals in REI

Grant MusicPosted
  • Fort Wayne, IN
  • Posts 2
  • Votes 0

Wasn't really sure which category to put this under, but I've had two pretty heated discussions with my father about entering into real estate holding. To be fair, he has been involved in real estate for decades (owned a manufactured homes company, flipped homes for a few years, etc.), but he is absolutely convinced that there's no way I could buy lower end homes in my city to rent without ending up bankrupt. His fear is that anyone I would be dealing with would be such lowly people that they would do too much damage for me to make a profit, or won't pay rent, or that I won't be able to actually keep it rented and will end up in foreclosure. When I tell him all of the ways you can account for these things and budget it into your expenses to make sure you still come out on top, his counter is "then why isn't everyone doing it?"

I told him about the REI meetings they have in our area where local RE investors support each other, give advice, network, etc. to basically say "tons of people are doing this," and his first conclusion was that it must be some "investing club" that's trying to steal my money and convince me to buy real estate from them so I take on the risk and they try to get in on the management side to take a cut. Nothing of the sort happened. The one I went to last week was a meeting of about 60 people and it was almost awkward at first because no one was that acquainted and they all made small talk about their different investments before an experienced investor gave us a small presentation on how to best run your LLC to protect yourself and your assets (didn't plug or ask for anything more afterward and even gave us a checklist for things to make sure you've accomplished for your LLC). A guy next to me that I spoke with told me about his 12 properties he owned out right. He advised me to take things slow if I got into investing and to wait until I had the money to buy things out right like him. Does this sound predatory or fraudulent? It seemed to me like a friendly group of people with similar goals and willing to share advice.

I understand I'm an adult and I don't need my father's approval for something like this, but it's just very frustrating how resistant he was to the idea. He got so mad during our second conversation about it, he stormed off. To me it seems like his arguments were all scare tactics and heuristics ("I'm almost 60 years old--I've been around to long enough to know these things don't work" or "talk to A, B, and C about this and see how it worked out for them"). The guy is worth hundreds of millions, so it's difficult not to take his opinion very seriously--it's making something I was very excited to get into feel like this enormous risk that I won't end up pursuing if I keep getting this lecturing about it. Any advice on how to handle this?