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All Forum Posts by: Grant Loeffelbein

Grant Loeffelbein has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Post: Occupancy inspection woes

Grant Loeffelbein
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  • Contractor
  • South Dakota
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 1

Well said, @Kenneth Garrett .  If you really think you can get the $1,600 out of them go for it, but if it's a property you liked prior to the $1,600 hit that is a pretty small deviation to blow up a deal in today's market.  If it was a "great deal in a hot area" before, $1,600 would not be enough to sway me, personally.

Also, part of my construction business in South Dakota happens to be seamless gutter installation...$1,600 seems like a lot to re-route some downspouts (though there are certain scenarios where it could be accurate).  If you're talking all new gutters and downspouts in order to meet that end-goal then that sounds about right, but if you're ok with "good enough" and not wanting to pay for all new gutters, there may be ways around it.  If you want you can post some pictures of the job and I can see if there's a way you can request the work done that could save you money.  Even if the $1,600 quote is accurate, if you're going to spend that much money re-sloping and capping existing gutters I would certainly ask what all all new gutters would cost.  It may not be that much more expensive (labor for the re-route is probably pretty high since it can be a PIA), and at least then you'd have it to list as another "new" item when you sell.  You'd be surprised how much nicer a simple thing like new gutters can make a house look, especially if they started out in rough shape.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. Cash-Out Refi with higher interest rates

Grant Loeffelbein
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  • Contractor
  • South Dakota
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 1

@Greg Kasmer - Greg, that is great information.  The position I am currently in would involve taking the home equity loan out on my current primary residence (that I will eventually turn into a rental).  This must be why I have not run into any resistance from lenders yet regarding term quality or willingness to lend, leading to my confusion.  Do you have any idea if taking out this home equity loan on my current primary would cause any headache in the future (such as having them call the loan due) when I do turn it into a rental?  Meaning is this something I should take advantage of with my primary and just know that I will have to plan on a full cash-out for investment properties down the road, or something I should just avoid all together (asking purely as opinion, not official financial advice)?  Thanks a ton for the response, that question has been bothering me for a while.  This is the first question I've posted on the forum...this solid of feedback in such a short amount of time makes me feel like an idiot for not asking here sooner.  Thank You!

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. Cash-Out Refi with higher interest rates

Grant Loeffelbein
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  • Contractor
  • South Dakota
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 1

I have been listening to the podcast almost daily for quite a while, and I always hear about people doing a "cash-out refi" to pull out equity. My question is - why do I not hear more about people doing home equity loans (with BRRR's and otherwise) as interest rates rise as opposed to cash-out refi's? It seems to me that it would be wise to keep the original (say 3%) mortgage and pull out only the equity at 5% instead of a whole new mortgage at 5%. I know that home equity loan rates are a little worse than a cash-out rate, but I would think that would rarely make up the difference in refi-ing out of a great rate for an entire mortgage. For example, I just yesterday listened to a Seeing Greene episode (excellent format, btw) where David explains that he is doing a cash-out refi into a 1-2% higher rate because he knows that he can make way more with the equity in a new deal than what he is losing to interest. I fully understand that rationale, but I'm wondering why he would not instead take out a home equity loan at the higher rate in order to achieve the same result while only affecting the rate on a portion of the loan? Thanks in advance for any insight!

Post: Cash-out Refi vs HELOC vs Home Equity Loan

Grant Loeffelbein
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  • Contractor
  • South Dakota
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 1

Hey, Jordan.  I am assuming that you've already found an answer to this elsewhere given the time past, but I stumbled across this while searching the forum for an answer to my own question on the topic and figure maybe a response will help someone in the future.  All three of these tools are ways for you to pull equity out of your home that would otherwise be sitting idle; for an investor this would commonly be done so that they could reinvest that capital and earn compounding returns.  In this way, you could purchase multiple properties with the same initial down payment by recouping the down payment amount when pulling out equity once the property has appreciated (through market increase, value-add, or you getting the deal under market value).  As a precursor to addressing the three methods, I should say that I am not a lender nor an expert.  I've been in construction for years and have been hitting real estate investing fairly hard for only about a year.  I have in that time had many conversations with loan officers attempting to find creative ways to finance different real estate opportunities and have learned a lot (plus I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night...).  That's all to say, if anyone wants to poke holes in my answer, be my guest. 

A cash-out refi is the only method that begins and ends with you having one loan.  You're taking out a new loan at current interest rates for the current value of the home, paying off the original loan with the new loan, and pocketing the remainder (equity) in cash to reinvest.  This option works best when current interest rates are lower than on the original mortgage, though people on BP certainly have discussed doing cash-out refi's even when going into a higher interest rate because they have an opportunity to reinvest where they are confident they will make much higher returns on the equity pulled than the small amount they're losing in interest delta.  

A home equity loan is a second mortgage at current interest rates, but only for the equity you have (up to ~75-80% LTV) as opposed to replacing your original mortgage. This relates to the question I have - why do I not hear more about people doing home equity loans (with BRRR's and otherwise) as interest rates rise as opposed to cash-out refi's?? It seems to me that it would be wise to keep the original (say 3%) mortgage and pull out only the equity at 5% instead of a whole new mortgage at 5%. I know that home equity loan rates are a little worse than a cash-out rate, but that would rarely make up the difference in refi-ing out of a great rate for an entire mortgage.

A HELOC is a way to pull out equity only that resembles a credit card using your home as collateral. This is a nice option when you don't know if/when you'll need the funds, as well as when you don't know exactly how much you'll need. You can apply for a HELOC and have the funds at your disposal but not pay until you pull equity out, as opposed to an equity loan where you pull out a fixed amount and start paying immediately, even if you haven't begun to use the funds. For example, I have a HELOC out right now because my wife and I are attending auctions and want to have the equity available in case we find the acreage we are looking for at the right price. The HELOC will buy us time to set up a loan in case the down payment is more that we want to pull from our savings. The risk is that these are often variable rates (mine is a fixed rate HELOC), but just set yourself up to pay off the HELOC quickly and you can mitigate the risk. An additional benefit is that the HELOC has much lower closing costs than the other two options (a few hundred $ as opposed to a few thousand). Hope this helps!