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All Forum Posts by: Grant Cardone

Grant Cardone has started 15 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: Cash On Cash (VERY IMPORTANT)

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

While most investors talk about price and cap rate when buying, there is no figure more important to me than cash on cash. How much unencumbered cash can be distributed to investors and myself after all operations and debts are handled. Positive cash flow, not just percentage, but the actual dollar amount of free cash flow after all operations, is what will allow you to weather economic pullbacks and avoid having to sell in down markets. 

Positive cash flow is why I have never lost a property! When all the speculators and builders were losing everything during the worst housing crisis since the Great Depression, I held on to all my properties. Even the bank where I got my financing went down, but me. Cash flow makes you bulletproof.

Imagine that! The bank that lend me money, busted out, and the apartment building never missed a payment to that bank. The bank made loans to a bunch of amateur speculators who over - leveraged, who didn't know how to calculate cash flow using worst case scenarios (or didn't bother to), and they all failed when the market got tough. I lost nothing, because I had cash flow. 

When you have enough positive cash flow, you will be able to continue operations, while the competition across the street can no longer replace carpets or advertise. 

-GC

Post: Mistakes To Avoid When Investing In Apartments

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

1) Not investing - Not investing in this asset class is the ultimate, biggest mistake you will make with your finances. While it may seem difficult right now, due to limited funds, credit, experience and confidence, you owe it to yourself to figure this out.

Whether you buy deals on your own, or with others, get involved. When done right, apartments can produce passive income for generations and mind boggling returns, without the risks of other investments. 

2) Buying Too Small - Anything under 16 units will not produce enough free cash flow to warrant doing the deal. 2 units, 4 units, 6 units, and 8 units are not enough scale to make sense of the deal, unless you are buying to merely flip the property, but now you are speculating not investing.

3) Single-Family Home Rentals - This is an issue because you are dependent upon one tenant. Never invest in one door. Live where there is one door and own where there are many.

NEVER INVEST IN ONE DOOR.

Single-family homes are bad investments for the most part and have proven to be for the last 30 years, earning about 1% per year when adjusted for inflation. Millions of people found this out in 2008 when they lost their homes.

Single-family homes are terrible investments for rental income but they are easy to purchase. Remember, easy to purchase means hard to keep.

4) Using Too Much Debt - Using too much debt will resort in the property being unable to service the debt at some point in the economic cycle. If you can buy it with 95% financing, that means other people can too, and the more people, the fewer barriers to purchase, the less valuable the property will be in the future. 

I watched so many real estate guys love everything in 2008 because they over-leveraged and speculated. I only use 50% to 75% debt on my deals. So, if a deal is $50 million, I expect to put down up to $25 million to buy the deal. 

This kind of commitment to capital investment excludes a lot of buyers and becomes a built-in barrier to entry. This is what the big guys know that little investors don't and why the bug guys get the great deals and the little guys get the left overs. 

This is the simple economics of supply and demand. I now own something most people can't buy which will make this asset more valuable in 5 to 10 years, or more, when I go to sell. Now, that being said, too much money down may mean the product is overpriced.

5) Buying on Price and Cap Rate - If you only buy deals based on the lowest prices or the highest cap rates, you will never get great deals. The great deals always come at a premium price and a lower cap rate. As crazy as it seems, my best deals have been the ones I paid the most for. 

The old adage, "Buy low and sell high" is true, until it's not. I have made my best deals, and best returns, on buying high and selling higher. 

The lowest price in apartments is not an indication of a great deal. It is an indication that something is wrong. I can buy property at cheaper prices and higher cap rates in suburban Detroit than I can in the Galleria of Houston. 

CHEAPER IS NOT BETTER. I HAVE MADE MY BEST DEALS, AND BEST RETURNS, ON BUYING HIGH AND SELLING HIGHER.

I once bought a deal in Austin, paid the asking price, didn't negotiate a penny, and closed quickly. I knew when I bought it someone else would pay me more. I sold the deal for a 115% return in 6 months. 

6) Not Using a Broker - Trying to buy the deal without a commercial broker is a pure rookie mistake. The broker is your friend in this game. I use a broker on every deal and prefer to only use the listing broker moving forward/I hope he or she makes a bunch of money.

I recently bought a deal that was not on the market (off - market) and I had a broker in another city represent my offer only because he knew the seller. I paid him $250,000 to do this for me when I could have probably done it for myself. Why?

Because, I need a buffer between me and the seller. We did the deal and I assumed an unbelievable loan of $63 million on 500+ units in the heart of one of America's great cities. 60 yards away is Amazon's office, Whole Foods, Starbucks is walking distance, there are $800,000 townhomes across the street and you have to drive past $2 million homes to get to the property where the average tenant is a professional making five times what they pay in rent. (Income to rent ratio is a very important metric.) 

7) Not Looking at Enough Deals - I look at 100 deals to buy one, so unless you are smarter than me or luckier than me, be prepared to look at that many deals. 

I have friends who are financially very successful and could buy deals on their own but quickly realize they don't have time to look at enough deals to know the right deal. Because they are successful they have their hands full operating their successful businesses and their families. 

To find great deals, you have to be in the market everyday looking at deals, sometimes it takes years before the market is even ready to invest in. 

My formula requires we use tremendous discipline and research, looking at some 100+ deals for each one we close. 

8) Unable to Move to Other Markets - I have bought in eight different markets. I knew when I started I would only be able to do so much in the one market where I lived. 

In the beginning, as a real estate investor you should stay local. But, what if where you live the market sucks or is already overbuilt or even dying? People in Canada for instance, don't have a lot of apartments to buy. There is very little of this stock, so not a lot of trading going on.

People in European countries don't have this asset class to invest in the way we do in America. 

Remember, not everyone makes money in real estate because not all markets are good. If you had invested anywhere around Detroit in the last 20 years, you had dead money unless you were in downtown where money recently started being invested; and that play is still up in the air as to whether it will work out or not. 

9) Financing - Buying apartments without using debt makes no sense. If it wasn't for the debt, I wouldn't be able to do the big deals max out returns. 

On my first deal, I had to go to 3 lenders and the first two told me no. I took "No's" personally, only to find out later these banks didn't lend on apartments and that is why they told me no. But, the banks almost never say, "We aren't lending on apartments at this time." They will give you some other lame reason why they won't do the deal. 

You need to know who is lending on deals, and who is not, and you also need to know their underwriting criteria for approving the loan. Understanding debt component is vital to deal-making as it will provide you with the confidence in your financing to give the seller assurance you can close the deal. 

I have been borrowing money and creating relationships with the biggest apartment lenders in the world for 30 years. Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, life insurance companies and banks, all know me now, and assist me understanding and underwriting my deals. They are partners with me in helping me make my deals work. The lender is not an adversary, it's your partner. I did not understand this early on.

IN SUMMARY 

Buy apartments. Don't go small. Don't buy the junk, buy the best product in the market place, make sure you have cash flow, and take care of the property and the tenants. When you find that deal, MOVE FAST.
 
-GC

Post: Where to Find Great Multifamily Deals

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

The place to start is where you know the market, code for: where you live. Don't try to go into new markets in the beginning, shop where you live and stay close to where you live until you start to learn the market. The first market I ever shopped was within a 10 mile radius of where I lived. For 3 years, every weekend, when I wasn't working my main job, I shopped deals, exhausting every broker in the market, and I never bought a deal.

But, I got a great education and I learned what a good deal looked like and felt like. I realized after leaving Houston to move to California, how much money I would have made had I invested. I saw what I thought were a lot of good deals, but I wasn't ready yet. I didn't have the confidence yet, because I hadn't yet done enough homework to KNOW enough to know the difference between a bad deal, a good deal, and a screaming deal. What you learn from walking properties is 10 times more valuable than what you will learn reading my book.

When I moved to San Diego, I realized I had learned a lot and walked away from some very good deals, but rather than regretting what I didn't buy, I resumed shopping properties in the new market I had moved to. The difference was, this time, I had the confidence of KNOWING what I was doing, what I was looking for, what a good deal looked and felt like, and what a bad deal looked and felt like. The bad ones are easy to know. You immediately know it doesn't work and you don't spend time trying to make sense of it. If it doesn't feel good, I don't buy it.

I was only in San Diego a year when I bought my first deal. It was 48 units in Vista, California. I still remember driving up to it the first time. It was two stories, had great presence from the road, looked like it was quality build, nice space between the parking lot, the street and the units, and I knew immediately I would buy it. 

I closed the deal in 45 days and 30 days later, I bought another 38 units in Point Loma. 90 days after that I bought my third true rental deal. A 92 units, C Class, value-add beauty. 

Within 3 years, I had collected 500 units. Over the last 25 years, I have since bought and sold over $1 billion worth of real estate, in 8 different markets, through all types of economic climates. 

What I know today after doing this for years is: 

1) Apartments are the best investment for protecting your capital, providing dependable cash flow, and appreciation over long periods of time. 

2) It's vital to know the market you are investing today and looking forward over the next 5 to 10 years. 

3) Knowing the market starts with knowing where the deals are and who has them.

4) The brokers who have the deals you want are CBRE, Cushman Wakefield, Marcus & Millichap, HFF, JLL and a few private broker shops in each market. Of course, there are also the private sellers. By having the right technology, you can get access to the broker property intel and the data is priceless. 

How you contact those brokers and what you say to them is too much for this introduction, as that is an art in and of itself. 

I learned very quickly, the fasted way to get deals is to close on the deals you make offers on. Be a closer, stay true to your word, and never violate the trust of the brokers market. Once the market knows you are a real buyer (a closer) the game of creating wealth through real estate investing becomes possible. The broker network is very small, and in most markets, only a few guys control all of the apartment inventory, at least the good stuff. 

If they don't believe in your ability to close, you will never get the good deals.

-GC

Post: My BP Highlights for 2019 - What Are Yours?

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

Thank you, Yonah. You're great.

GC

Post: Why Apartments Are My Favorite Investment Vehicle

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

I am really Grant Cardone.

Feel free to send me a Linkedin message or an IG message, and I will confirm.

My IG profile is verified, and my Linkedin profile is obviously mine in relation to the amount of followers.

Thank you, 

GC

Post: Grant Cardone joins Bigger Pockets

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

Hi, my name is Grant Cardone. 

I am the CEO of Cardone Capital, international speaker, entrepreneur, author of The 10X Rule and creator of 21 best-selling business programs, and I own/operate seven privately held companies along with a $1.5 billion portfolio of multifamily properties which equates to 7,068 units. 

I was named the #1 marketer to watch by Forbes Magazine, and I am also the founder of the The 10X Movement and The 10 Growth Conference, the world’s largest business and entrepreneur conference.

My purpose and mission is to help people. Please always feel free to reach out and connect with me on the Bigger Pockets platform. 

Thank you for your time, I look forward to meeting each and everyone of you.

GC

Post: Why Apartments Are My Favorite Investment Vehicle

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

Thank you, Andrew. 

GC

Post: Why Apartments Are My Favorite Investment Vehicle

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

Thank you, Spencer. I appreciate you and sent you a request to connect. 

GC

Post: Why Apartments Are My Favorite Investment Vehicle

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

Admittedly, I am a coward when it comes to investing and that is why I love apartments. Everything I have today I worked hard to get and I am extremely protective of it. Like you, I feel like I've worked really hard for my money and the last thing I want to do is blow it. 

I was taught to have respect for money. My dad taught me the value of money and stressed the need to be disciplined and responsible with it. I still remember the quarter my Dad trusted me with at the age of eight. I lost it when I was playing with and will never forget my father saying, "Don't play with money! Don't waste money! Don't lose money!"

I know how hard a person must work to have money. I didn't come from money, I started from zero and I have a massive appreciation for anyone who can accumulate wealth. There is another level to money that most never learn, and that is the art of multiplying money.

This is the genius of money and why I love apartments so much. Apartments provide a safe place to keep money, receive income and multiply money. All the requirements necessary to create wealth are present in this investment vehicle. 

Warren Buffet said, "The first rule of investing is "Don't lose money." Rule number two is "Don't forget rule number one."

He's also said, "Never invest in anything with the idea it's ok to lose money." These simple concepts have shaped my commitment to apartments as the best investment for me.

So, let's see if apartments pass Warren Buffet's test ("Don't lose money.") When you buy an apartment building that produces positive cash flow in excess of the cost to manage, will that property be there tomorrow and in the future?

We all know the value of money goes down over time (depreciates) and most people would agree that real assets, property, in good locations will go up in value over time. This passes Warren Buffett's first two rules.

Now, if we look at Warren's next criteria, he buys companies that produce cash flow. He buys Coca-Cola, See's Canies, Burlington Railroads, Wells Fargo, and now Apple. Why? These companies produce positive cash flow. 

Contrary to popular belief, Warren Buffet is not an investor in stocks, he invests in companies that are indestructible, produce dependable cash flow, and which will increase (appreciate) in value over time due to their ability to produce cash flow. Warren Buffet uses a depreciating asset (cash) to buy appreciating companies that produce more cash. 

Now, understand that most of us cannot take major positions in Coca-Cola or Wells Fargo, but we can buy apartments. 

Here are the four main reasons I love apartments. 

1) They are real assets, not paper, and they can't be easily replaced. 

2) They produce positive cash flow. 

3) Apartments appreciate when rents rise - the multiplier. 

4) Leverage of debt to increase your position. 

Happy holidays, and always feel free to connect via Bigger Pockets.

Grant Cardone

Post: Cardone Capital...anyone looked into this?

Grant CardonePosted
  • Investor
  • Miami Beach, FL
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 105

You guys put to much emphasis on structure and not enough on the operator and the assets... We are offering assets you can NOT buy any other place in the world. The closest you will get is a Blackstone Reit where you LOSE all depreciation and tax advantages.  We are buying assets MetLife or Prudential would own and building a portfolio we can later sell back to Wall Street.    The 65/35% will beat 80/20 all day long because those guys are buying real estate for their fee not for the score.  GC