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All Forum Posts by: Gabriel L.

Gabriel L. has started 7 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Gabriel L.- you cant hold 2 FHA loans at once time .....in your scenario - you would need to refinance the FHA loan to a conventional loan in order to be able to use a new FHA loan for the 2nd home ...fyi - there are conventional loans that require as little as a 3% down payment for a primary residence purchase so consider using this program to keep the FHA option open for a future property down the road


Thanks for the heads up Dave. I failed to mention that I want to use construction loans (203k) for value add.

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Zach Wain:
Quote from @Gabriel L.:
Quote from @Conner Olsen:
Quote from @Gabriel L.:

Hello BP community,

I'm getting into real estate investing with the buy and hold househacking strategy and planning on going the FHA 203K route.

I know if you're a first time home buyer you can get away with 3.5% down payment when owner occupied. Looking to live there for a year, move out, rent that unit I was in and hope to rinse and repeat.

my question is, is it possible to once again use FHA with the 3.5% DP or would I have to put more down since I would already own a first home?


You can refinance or sell the properties to free up your FHA loan and reuse as many times as you want.


 I understand that, but that's not something I'm looking to do. I want to do buy and hold, but refinance out to free up the FHA, so o could use it again the following year, thus rinse and repeat.

Keep in mind, every single FHA loan you do there is a 1.75% Up front PMI charge that is a 1 time cost. If you take a 1.75% (of the loan size charged in fees, which goes directly to FHA) hit on every single deal just to refinance out of it, you are losing a good chunk of money over and over again. Make sure you take a good look at all of your lending options, FHA is not always the best path


Well the reason I want to do FHA 203k is because it's a better alternative than homestyle. Because with homestyle loan the DP depends on the number of units in the house. The more units the more DP, with 203k that's not the case. My main thing is not putting a higher DP

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Conner Olsen:
Quote from @Gabriel L.:

Hello BP community,

I'm getting into real estate investing with the buy and hold househacking strategy and planning on going the FHA 203K route.

I know if you're a first time home buyer you can get away with 3.5% down payment when owner occupied. Looking to live there for a year, move out, rent that unit I was in and hope to rinse and repeat.

my question is, is it possible to once again use FHA with the 3.5% DP or would I have to put more down since I would already own a first home?


You can refinance or sell the properties to free up your FHA loan and reuse as many times as you want.


 I understand that, but that's not something I'm looking to do. I want to do buy and hold, but refinance out to free up the FHA, so o could use it again the following year, thus rinse and repeat.

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Zach Wain:

For that exact scenario yes, you could go FHA. But, I would ask why do you want to go FHA? If its a credit score issue, you have 1 year to improve your score and get into a conventional loan. The only reason to stay with FHA is if you want to buy a 2-4 unit home, or if you had a recent BK or foreclosure and FHA is the only option. With a great credit score, conventional is superior to FHA.

Conventional requires 5% down, instead of 3.5% down.  3% down is allowed for first time buyers on Conventional (or if you have not owned a home in the past 3 years) or if you fit under the median income for the county...

That's exactly why I want to do FHA. It's not a credit thing at all. I just want to build a portfolio with small multifamilies year after year using 203K, and take advantage of the lower DP of 3.5% 

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Zach Wain:

@Gabriel there are some exceptions to the rule, but generally its 1 FHA loan at a time. Job relocation is a popular exception, but you need to document this. Growing family is another one. But you must have 25% equity in the departing residence. Soooo, maybe.

You can do 5% conventional loans for a primary home without any restrictions, that may be worth considering


Thanks Zach. Let's say I were to live in the house for 1 year, then decide to refinance into a conventional loan and move out to use an FHA again on a new property. Would it be possible to put down 3.5% DP once again for the new property?

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Jason Wray:

I understand and you can only have one FHA loan at a time. There are some circumstances where you can have two if the second home is larger in terms of GLA due to an increase in family size. The opposite is also accepted when your older and retiring and need a smaller home. But to continue to use the FHA 203K back to back is going to be a very hard sell to the underwriter. They are trained to look for investors using loop holes to buy more rentals.

FHA allows you to use a second time if your buying a home closer to school, work or again fits one of the above situations. You can also use a Fannie/Freddie homestyle loan that allows for renovations.

Your assistance has been truly helpful. I think for homestyle the DP is determined by the number of units in the home, I would have to look into that though. I'm looking for 3/4 family homes and have already been in contact with several loan officers. Many thanks my friend 

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Jason Wray:

Gabriel,

The best way to use an FHA loan is to buy the first home and at the (6 month mark) for title seasoning purposes refinance into a conventional loan. Three things can happen which are all benefits, One remove FHA MIP monthly insurance, Two convert loan to conventional and free up FHA eligibility to buy using FHA again and Three you can and might be able to take out some cash for the next purchase.

You eliminate the 12 month occupancy seasoning when you refinance into a conventional loan and it allows you to move out at month 6/7 after refinance. "NEVER"- move out prior to refinance beccause property automatiacally becomes a "Non-Owner Oc" a.k.a rental and the rates are higher and LTV options are lower for cash out.


Jason I appreciate the response and understand what you're trying to tell me. But I was looking for an answer about it being possible to reuse an FHA 203k loan and put down the same 3.5% down payment as the first loan or would I have to put down more since I would already have a first home under my name?

Post: Can you use FHA 3.5% DP multiple times??

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5

Hello BP community,

I'm getting into real estate investing with the buy and hold househacking strategy and planning on going the FHA 203K route.

I know if you're a first time home buyer you can get away with 3.5% down payment when owner occupied. Looking to live there for a year, move out, rent that unit I was in and hope to rinse and repeat.

my question is, is it possible to once again use FHA with the 3.5% DP or would I have to put more down since I would already own a first home?

Post: Haven't worked past 2 years but have funds. PLEASE ASSIST

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5
Quote from @James Alderman:

It sounds like you already answered your own question. 2 years of employment is what the banks want. 

Hard money loans, lease-options, seller financing are options for you.


 Yeah was hoping there was something else. I've heard about asset based loans, but my only asset are the funds I have.

Post: Haven't worked past 2 years but have funds. PLEASE ASSIST

Gabriel L.Posted
  • Union City, NJ 07087
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 5

I've been in the hotel industry here in NYC for the past 5yrs (still there) which of course has taken a huge hit with the pandemic. I really want to get into small multifamily, but I haven't been working full time since the pandemic started and my hours have been highly reduced. How long would it realistically take me for a bank to take me serious on a loan? Like when I get back to full time and have that consistent income coming in, how long would the wait be for me to get approved? 

Currently I have up to 80k saved up (60k in a high yield savings & 20k in my checkings)

I want to get into househacking 4plex's using the FHA 203k loans while only putting in the minimum 3.5% DP and later on refinancing into conventional loans, and keep doing that year after year.

If that's not possible, is there another type of loan I can use where I won't have to wait the 2 years to get approved for a loan?