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All Forum Posts by: George Carter

George Carter has started 2 posts and replied 5 times.

Post: International real estate equity sharing concept

George CarterPosted
  • Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Mike Lambert:

@George Carter

The world always needs more people with an innovating mind as yours and the great thing about people like you is that they know that most of the concepts they think about won't work but they keep searching until they find the right one. I think that this is one to pass for the following reasons on top of those already mentioned:

1. You're trying to mix lifestyle and investments, which are two different animals that don't necessarily go along with each other. It makes much more financial sense for investors to invest where they make the highest return and then pay for a stay in the short-term rentals of their choice when they want to travel. That's even better from a lifestyle point of view because you can go to different properties every time, have a much bigger choice of properties and stay in properties that are much more luxurious than those you would be a co-owner in rather than be limited to the ones you own.

Mind you, many people buy lifestyle properties overseas but that is because they want to stay regularly in their own house the decoration of which fits their taste and they feel at home, can leave their stuff there,... You won't have that benefit of ownership if you share ownership with others.

2. If I want to invest my money overseas with people in countries A, B, C and D, I'll want to invest in A, I'll give my money the best qualified person who knows the ins and outs of that market. Same with B, C and D. I won't give my money to somebody to invest in A, B, C and D who's a jack of all trades and master of none (this is obviously no personal judgement of you). Investing internationally is a huge opportunity, especially now that the US model based on cheap debt is kinda broken, but investors need to know what they're doing or they need to work with people who know what they're doing. And investing in country A can be very different than investing in country B.

To conclude, even though international investing is my passion and I've been doing it for years, I think such a concept is very unappealing. It sounds a bit nice and glamorous at first but, when you start to dig a bit deeper, it makes no sense to me. The only thing you'd get out of it is earn some bragging rights so that you can say you own property in A, B, C and D. I don't know about you but I rather make money than brag. This, notwithstanding all the other issues that have been mentioned.

Being innovative and a trailblazer is great but it has to make sense, because trying to reinvent the wheel is often the thing not to do. This isn't rocket science and could have been done many years ago. If it was a workable concept, wouldn't it have been done already?


 Thanks for the feedback, I will take a few of your points into consideration. Yes the concept does need some adjustments and even several pivots but there are a few concepts out there already that are similar. There is an increasing percentage of the population that is location independent and wanting to build equity but at an affordable entry point.

Post: International real estate equity sharing concept

George CarterPosted
  • Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Jon Dawes:
Quote from @George Carter:

I've been a real estate investor (multifamily, land, CRE) for 2 decades but have been working on a concept to purchase multiple properties in the US and around the world. The shareholders own and build equity while living in the properties.

Not selling anything or looking for money (right now!). Just wanted some feedback from any other BP members who are location independent, have worked with co-ops, international RE, or just curious.
Thanks, George


 I like this innovative (sounding) idea. While I live in the US at the moment, both my spouse and daughter hold UK passports and I like the idea of having some type of 'presence' in somewhere other than the US.


 Thanks for the feedback. Having a presence in other countries while retaining equity is much easier than actually buying said properties in each country. 
Quick question. Would $300k for the use of 10 locations be within reason? Each property will be equivalent to a small apartment with shared working and living areas.

Post: International real estate equity sharing concept

George CarterPosted
  • Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Kory Reynolds:

I have talked with several clients who have had a similar thought process - in their mind almost a "block chain" for the real estate investment.

Along with the SEC regulations regarding investment offerings, the IRS has neatly placed this "blockchain" type idea as being a tax partnership.  In this case, a tax partnership with an incredibly complex allocation structure.  In short...you are looking to create an open fund with some time share type qualities.  Meaning - it has been done, just by a different name, and maybe with slightly different terms.


 Thanks for the suggestion. I have looked into blockchain "tokens" and but the tax partnership formation will help with structuring. 

Post: International real estate equity sharing concept

George CarterPosted
  • Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

I've been a real estate investor (multifamily, land, CRE) for 2 decades but have been working on a concept to purchase multiple properties in the US and around the world. The shareholders own and build equity while living in the properties.

Not selling anything or looking for money (right now!). Just wanted some feedback from any other BP members who are location independent, have worked with co-ops, international RE, or just curious.
Thanks, George

Post: personal loan take out

George CarterPosted
  • Investor
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 2

I purchased a 4plex unit in March and the original owner carried a loan for 35% of the property and I paid cash to this owner of 65%. This was only a temp loan (9 months) and will need get a long term loan in place to pay them back. Would like to get a conventional loan with a 65-70% LTV structure. Wanted to know how I can pay off the personal loan and still take 65-70% of equity out of the property. Release the cash to buy another property when the opportunity arises.