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All Forum Posts by: Gary Drumm

Gary Drumm has started 3 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Fortune Builders 3-Day Seminar Review

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

*** I am not affiliated with Fortune Builders in any way. I do not work for them. I am not being paid by them for this review. This is my own personal analysis of my personal experience ***

So I attended the Fortune Builders free seminar a couple of weeks ago and paid the $200 and signed up for their 3-Day seminar, which I spent this weekend attending. 

I found the seminar to be informative and motivational overall. There were several sessions with a lot of great ideas about marketing, business structuring, tax and estate planning, and some of the mechanics of performing different types of real estate transactions. In truth, nothing you couldn't find on Youtube with a little ninja surfing, but the fact that it was somewhat organized and well presented made it a little easier to consume.  At the end of the day, was it worth the $200?  Yeah, there were a few things in there that were worth $200 alone, particularly, for me at least, the tax asset protection strategies were incredibly valuable and would have easily cost $200-400 an hour to get that information from an attorney, accountant, or estate planner. 

I was also really impressed with their documentation, credibility packs, and concept of of systemizing the different aspects of your investing operation. I'm an PMP (Project Management Professional) and have pretty extensive training in IT (computer) operations management, system design, Six Sigma, and process development and optimization, so I immediately recognized the value in the concept of "systemization". A good set of processes, standard operating procedures (SOP's), and policies can be the difference between a successful, well-oiled machine type of organization and a chaotic, inconsistent, and frustrating one.

Their concept of "McDonaldizing" your operation is exactly right. Yes, every deal is different in it specifics, every marketing campaign has different audiences, and every project has it's nuances that make it different from the last one, but the reality is that there is a finite number of parameters that go into a deal, a campaign, or a project. from what I gathered this weekend it seems like they have done a pretty darn good job of identifying those "universal" parameters and many, if not all, of the details that go into these processes and they have done so in a way that allows you to simply plug it into a very well designed template. 

Now, for the $50,000 question... Is it worth it?

I think the answer to that question depends of several factors. First, and most obviously, is the cost. With 3 different levels; $50k, $40K, and $30k, it's a pretty big investment there. Now, if I was looking to invest my life savings into a franchise business, like Subway, Chick-Fil-A, or some other type of business, I would be looking at investing hundreds of thousands of dollars into getting that business off of the ground, but I would have a pretty good chance at being successful because franchises are all about their systems, and these businesses have a proven track record with thousands of successful franchisees, so it is highly likely that I could be successful. 

There is also the aspect of education. I personally have over $40k in student loans that I am still paying on for a degree in a field that really doesn't help me in my current career. Ironically, my PMP, which only costs me about $6000, has been far more valuable in my technology career than any of my degree studies. If there was a "college of real estate investing" the $50k price tag could be very valuable, especially for someone just starting out in this industry. And the mentoring, systems, tools, and templates could save someone a tremendous amount of time. Especially if the new investor didn't have a background in systems, tools, and templates. 

Finally, there is the mentoring and coaching. I'm a certified life strategies coach and NLP coach. I've been in and around the coaching industry for about 10 years and I can tell you, coaches are not "cheap". I have a coaching friend of mine who charges $100K a year for a single client... paid in advance. So a high-end coach can be a HUGE investment. But the value you can get from a coach can be enormous. And a coach who understands the nuances of the industry you're working in can be exponentially valuable, because it's not just mindset and theory at that point. It's practical, real-world direction and mentoring that can give you actionable information, which can have a big impact on your results. 

So, if you were just starting out, and you were looking for systems, tools, templates, training, and mentoring, I believe that the Fortune Builders platform could be VERY valuable and could give the new investor a tremendous leg up in getting their business off the ground. If I look at it as an investment into a franchise type of system, a college level education, and a coaching program all rolled into one, and considering a franchise would cost an easy $200k, college would cost at least $50k, and a high-end coach/mentor would cost upwards of $100k, then a $50k investment with FB is really a steal. 

So, is it a scam? No. I don't think so. They have a 5 star rating on "Rip Off Report", not a website that typically gives companies under review a good report, I think that speaks volumes.  

Now, even though the 3-Day seminar was informative and there were a few actionable ideas presented, it was very obvious that their primary objective was to get people to "apply" for their Mastery program at some level. For every 2 hours of real information, there was about 1.5 hours of "pitch", "motivation", or "hypnotic stage induction" techniques designed to get the attendee to "sign on the line that is dotted". It was mildly irritating, especially for someone who's understands how this works, but it wasn't so bad that it made the program pointless or of no value. 

Finally, would I do it?  If I were in the position to pull a $50K trigger and still have capital to run my business and put my deals together, I think I actually would. I have the background and experience to do it all on my own. I can develop systems. I can develop templates. I can link technology platforms together to build solutions. I can run initiate, plan, execute, and close projects (I have a six figure income doing this already). But the real value here is TIME. I believe this platform could save the new investor a tremendous amount of time. Yes, it's "expensive", from the perspective of reality... $50K is a pretty big chunk of money. But if I were looking at it with an investor's eye, I could see the value of that expense... In fact I wouldn't look at it as an "expense" (except from a tax perspective of course, it's probably tax deductible ;-) ), I would look at it as an investment. An investment in education, tools, templates, systems, software, coaching, and business start up all rolled into one. And if done correctly it could be a very powerful competitive advantage. 

Of course all of this can be done without FB. It's not a necessity. It isn't the KEY to your success. You can succeed without it. But if you're in a position where you need some help, you can't even really define the problem (or even be aware of the problem), and you're not even sure what to look for, FB could be a possible solution. 

If you've never been to one of their seminars, maybe check it out and make your own decision. 

Post: Online marketing at 14

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

My 15 year old is actually working with me in our ventures. See if you can get a parent or other adult you trust to join you in your adventures. 

Post: How much is too much when buying bandit signs

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

@Brandon West, I'm looking at exactly the same invest. I don't think it's totally unreasonable at all. Think of it as a marketing investment. If you place 100 signs in high traffic areas, reaching an average of say 50 cars an hour for 3 solid hours a day for 3 days, you're gaining exposure to approximately 45,000 people. (50*3*3*100). That a average of .004 cents per exposure. Of course this is using straight line math and the complexities of reality may make that number slightly higher, but even at 1 cent per view, it's still a pretty good investment, I think. It all depends on placement. 

Post: How Much Would Is A Good Amount To get Started With

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

@Jason D., not looking to start off with BRRRR just yet, though I have partners who might help fund those types of deals.

Post: How Much Would Is A Good Amount To get Started With

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

@Chris Seveney, I'm not doing directly from the 401k. It's a loan from the account. I'm primarily looking to get the startup cash in place to set up all of the back end, do marketing (FB, signage, websites, etc.), and have cash for earnest money to tie up wholesale deals. I'm not looking to fund transactions, necessarily and I have some partners I'm working with who are already in the business.

Of course as I build this, I'll move into bigger deals because I'll have more capital reserves. But that's not where I'm starting. 

Post: How Much Would Is A Good Amount To get Started With

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1

This may have been asked, but I wanted to get some of the latest feedback considering current market conditions. I have access to some funds from my 401k, about $3000, and I'm wondering if that's a realistic amount of money to start out with. My primary thoughts are to used some of these funds to structure the business, pay some internet and marketing overhead, and use funds for EM. Is this a good strategy? Are there better strategies? Obviously $3K isn't really enough to use for down payments or fully fund a purchase, but I do have a few people that I am working with. I already have an LLC from a previous consulting business, though it's currently "administratively resolved", a simple fix by filing the state fees. And I am establishing a business checking account in the next couple of weeks.

I'd love hear some feedback. 

Post: Loopnet Work Around .... Use Google to get Loopnet for Free

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1
Loopnet is ridiculously pricey. Thanks for this work around. ☺️

Post: HUD Attachment on Property - Newby Question

Gary DrummPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Kennedale, TX
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 1
So I'm looking at a deal in my area and the agent hands me an exhibit with a bunch of HUD items on it. "Property sold as is" "Seller must complete an appraisal" "Utilities necessary for inspection must be paid by the buyer" And "Seller and buyer will not mediate" Can someone kind of explain what all this means?