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All Forum Posts by: Frank Gallinelli

Frank Gallinelli has started 15 posts and replied 147 times.

Post: Article: Making the Case for Your Commercial Re-Fi

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Many investors surely have commercial property loans that are coming up for refinance during 2009. We have a new article (actually, the first installment of a two-part piece) on realdata.com that we think you'll find helpful.

To view this article, go to http://www.realdata.com and click on the "Learn" tab. You'll find a link to this and a whole library of articles for investors and developers.

While you're there, I invite you to sign up for our newsletter -- http://realdata.com/newsletter/newsletter.shtml You'll get announcements about future articles and about other web resources for investors as we discover them.

Post: What Do you consider a good Cap rate?

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Kyle -- You hit it precisely. Income-property investors buy the income stream, not a pile of lumber. I devoted a fairly extensive case study in my latest book trying to show that a single-family house, even if it's held for rental, is a critter that's quite different from a true income property.

You might want to see an article I wrote that is directly relevant to your point about creating value by improving NOI. It's "Managing for Value" at http://www.realdata.com/ls/manofvalue.shtml

Post: What Do you consider a good Cap rate?

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Jon, you raise a very valuable point. Everyone who gets involved in real estate should have it tatooed onto a visible body part, where they can refer to it easily:

"Speculating is not the same as investing."

Speculating involves definite high risk with possible high reward, usually over a short time frame. The speculator typically has little or no control over the outcome of his bet.

An investment is an attempt at long-term accumulation of wealth. The reward is likely to be smaller but so is the risk. And with a good income property, you don't have to rely entirely on forces that are out of your control to maximize your return.

This thread started on the subject of cap rates and meandered a bit into commentary on a number of other measures. Let me add my one cent (used to be two, but I had them in the stock market):

I think it's incorrect to label any of these measures or techniques -- cap rate, IRR, DCR, pro-forma analysis, etc. -- as useless or irrelevant. In my opinion, the informed investor understands all of these, and more, and recognizes that they have different purposes and can satisfy different objectives.

For example, on the original subject, cap rates. You may be looking to purchase a small office building, and find two or three candidates in a particular zip code. You also find that the last several properties like these, in this location, sold at cap rates between 8% and 9%. After you reconstruct the owners' representations about the properties for sale (i.e., after you verify the rents and the major operating expenses like taxes and insurance, and apply your own experience about the typical costs to maintain and the amount you need to allow for potential vacancy), you decided that these properties are being offered at something closer to a 5% cap rate.

Before you spend any more time or effort considering these properties, you know that, at their asking prices, they are not worthy competitors for your investment dollar. If comparable properties yielded 8% or more, you feel justified in settling for no less of a return. It is simple math to calculate the price at which each of the properties might begin to make sense. You may decide simply to move on to some other investment that will meet your objectives better.

At the same, you recognize that satisfactory cap rate is not sufficient to make a decision to invest, because cap rate is a measure at a single point in time. You decide that "long term" means at least seven years, so you develop pro forma projections going out seven years: income, expenses, cash flow, potential resale. Crystal ball a little cloudy? Of course, you don't know precisely how these variables will progress over time, but if you can probably make reasonable assumptions based best-case, worst-case and perhaps a few in between scenarios. Things seldom go as well as you hope or as bad as you fear, so the property will probably perform somewhere between the best and worst cases. You may look at a time-weighted measure like IRR. Can you live with performance like what you see between the extremes?

For your re-sale projections, if this is a real income property like an office building, forget the word "appreciation." Income properties don't rise in value because of the passage of time. They rise, if at all, because they produce a greater income stream. The person who buys from you in seven years will do the same kind of analysis you're doing now and will pay accordingly. At what price will the property offer a reasonable return down the road to a new owner?

And do you care about Debt Coverage Ratio? The banks want to know if your NOI is going to be sufficent to cover your debt service, with about a 20% cushion for error. You should be no less concerned. It may sound great that you're using no money of your own, leveraging the property to the limit, but that property's debt may then become a hungry demon.

Different measures, different techniques, different purposes. Don't discard them. I think each can tell you something you need to know to make an intelligent investment decision.

Post: What Do you consider a good Cap rate?

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Dustin - Cap rates, like politics, are very much a local phenomenon. The prevailing cap rates may differ from one part of a city to another, and from one type of property to another.

The purpose of a cap rate is to express the relationship between an income-property's NOI and its value. So if you do your homework and have a good idea of what the prevailing cap rate is for a particular type of income property in the subject's location, you can make a reasonable estimate of it's value.

That's not really enough to make an informed decision to buy, however. Assuming you plan to buy and hold, you also want want to make cash flow and resale projections going out several years -- I would say five at the least, but probably more.

If you go to my blog page here on biggerpockets (or the blog on my company's site) you can download a sample chapter from my latest book -- the chapter is about using cap rates.

Originally posted by Dustin Lyle:
I read in a thread concerning California where multi unit residentials are selling around 4-5%.. which lead me to a good question.. As investors from across the country, what do you consider to be a good cap rate? Being realistic.. what do you look for in a rate of return per annum? Talking about multi unit residentials. Thanks ahead to anyone who responds.
Dustin


Post: New Investment Analysis Service from RealData

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Hello All -

Thought you might like to know about a new service my company has just begun.

We've been providing analysis software for r.e. investors and developers since 1982. For folks who don't have professional-grade software like ours -- or maybe just don't have the time to use it -- we've started a service where we'll run an income-property analysis for you, using the standard edition (v.14) of our "Real Estate Investment Analysis" software.

What you do is download a questionnaire, fill it in with the particulars about the property you want to evaluate, and email it or fax it back to us. We’ll run your data through the software and send back a set of presentation-quality reports in pdf format.

Even if you don't need to purchase the service now, I invite you to download the questionnaire. There's no charge for that, of course, and you should find it to be a helpful data-collection guide you can use whenever you need to analyze an income property.

You can find out more, and download the data questionnaire at http://www.realdata.com

Post: how do you determine if a deal is a deal?

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Jason - Jon Holdman hit the nail squarely on the head. If you're looking to buy a rental property, you need to do your homework about the rental market. Then you should take that information, along with data about the operating expenses and financing, and work up your cash flow projections for the property.

It may be a very nice house to live in, but a serious cash flow drain as a rental. It's all in the numbers.

Post: Promo for my latest book

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

My software company -- http://www.realdata.com -- which produces analysis models for real estate investors and developers -- is running a promotion until December 1. If you purchase any of our software products for $99 or more, you'll receive a complimentary copy of my latest book, "Mastering Real Estate Investment: Examples, Metrics and Case Studies."

I thought you might like an opportunity to see some sample chapters so I’m making two downloads available: A chapter on cap rates at http://realdata.com/mrei/Mastering_Real_Estate_Investment_Ch10.pdf and an excerpt of a case studies that concerns using a single-family house as a rental-property investment: http://realdata.com/mrei/Mastering_Real_Estate_Investment_Ch38_excerpt.pdf

The book is also on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0981813801 along with my earlier books.

Frank Gallinelli
RealData, Inc.

P.S. Can't forget the fine print: Free shipping to U.S. addresses only. Offer ends Monday, December 1, 2008 at midnight. Limit of one book per customer.

Post: How to value a property with no financial stmts

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Damien - Consider looking at this as a development project using the "back door approach." If you believe you know the potential income stream once the property is re-habbed (i.e., you have a sense of the likely rent structure, operating expenses and financing costs), you capitalize this income stream to estimate the value of the property after re-hab. Then you subtract the cost to re-hab and that leaves you with the maximum value of the property before re-hab.

I have an article about this approach under the "Learn" tab at realdata.com. It's called, "Real Estate Project Feasibility - What's Behind Door #1?" I also discuss this at greater length in a case study in my one of my books http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Real-Estate-Investment-Examples/dp/0981813801 Hope this helps.

Post: Recommended real estate investing beginner books

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

Ray and Dave -- Thanks for the kind words about my book.

FYI, I've just published a sequel, "Mastering Real Estate Investment -- Examples, Metrics and Case Studies," which provides additional examples of the metrics in "What Every..." as well as four detailed case studies: single-family rental, re-hab project, apartment building and strip center. It's on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Real-Estate-Investment-Examples/dp/0981813801

Also, McGraw-Hill has just released a second edition of "What Every Real Estate Investor Needs to Know..." which includes new material. http://www.amazon.com/Estate-Investor-Flow-Financial-Measures/dp/0071603271

Best regards, Frank G.

Post: New book on real estate investment analysis

Frank GallinelliPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Southport, CT
  • Posts 160
  • Votes 137

For those of you who want to learn how to crunch the numbers, my latest book on r.e. investment analysis has just been released. "Mastering Real Estate Investment" is available on Amazon (ISBN# 0981813801)
http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Real-Estate-Investment-Examples/dp/0981813801/
and also at https://www.createspace.com/3347801

In addition to problem-and-answer examples of the 37 metrics I discussed in my earlier book, I also present four detailed case studies: Single-family house as a rental property, renovation project, apartment building and strip center.

Below is the marketing blurb for the book:

By the author of the bestselling guide, "What Every Real Estate Investor Needs to Know about Cash Flow... " (McGraw-Hill, 2004)

Develop a command of the essential formulas and concepts that underlie income-property investing:

* Capitalization Rate
* Net Operating Income
* Present Value
* Debt Coverage Ratio
* Internal Rate of Return and much more

Here Gallinelli revisits the 37 key metrics from his "Cash Flow" book and guides you through examples that will lead you to mastery of those concepts. He then takes you beyond those formulas to the next level, with detailed case studies of four different properties:

* Single-Family Rental
* Renovation Project
* Apartment Building
* Strip Shopping Center

You'll analyze these properties with him and learn to look behind the numbers, to think like a successful investor and to recognize both the opportunities and the perils you might encounter when you invest in real estate.

About the author:
Frank Gallinelli is the founder and President of RealData, Inc., one of the real estate industry's leading software firms since 1982. He has written several books and numerous articles on real estate investing, and teaches income-property analysis in Columbia University's Master of Science in Real Estate Development program.