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All Forum Posts by: Frederick Rauh

Frederick Rauh has started 1 posts and replied 4 times.

Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Frederick Rauh:

It's a JV. So I would be partnering with someone who is bringing the capital. Then refinancing once it's build to pull out the equity to get them their return.

Thank you so much for the help!

I might look into developing multiple 4 units then if that’s the way to get the “kiddy-glove 30YF”.


 You can get a 30 Yr fixed on a 5+ Unit MFH however the rate is very high. May not be worth it in the long run.


 Thanks Erik, 

Good to know!

It's a JV. So I would be partnering with someone who is bringing the capital. Then refinancing once it's build to pull out the equity to get them their return.

Thank you so much for the help!

I might look into developing multiple 4 units then if that’s the way to get the “kiddy-glove 30YF”.

Quote from @Chris Mason:

Hey Frederick,

I invented a 20-unit property and ran it through our database really quick. You paid $2m for it two years ago w/ 25% down (it was suffering from mismanagement and deferred maintenance), invested $325k in capital improvements, and it's now valued at $3m with an NOI of $195k (cap rate assuming $3m value is 6.5%). You purchased it with a HML, and are now rate/term refinancing the $1.5m (75% of $2m) hard money loan for better terms b/c you show six months of stabilized rent, the T-12 and rent roll with the monthly breakdown shows a clear trend towards where we are at now.

Your hard money loan matures at the 2-year mark, but you weren't silly enough to call me at the 1 year and 11 month mark, so my partner lenders that have great terms, but move slower, are on the table. You called me 4 months ahead of when that hard money loan matures b/c you are smart and realize that time is money.

For the 2nd option, it lists "7/25, 10 year maturity." That means the rate will be fixed for 7 years, the payments will be calculated on a 25 year amortization, and there's a balloon payment at the 10 year mark. 

From left to right:

- Points are 1.5%, 1.25%, and 1.25%

- Prepayment penalties are in place for 7 years, 2 years, and 3 years. I can search for "none," but didn't for this example. 

- I didn't search for non-recourse, that just popped up by dumb luck. 

- The 3rd lender, on the right, with the best rate, requires that one borrower/sponsor be experienced in the asset class, and that they personally live local to the property. 

- 1 regional lender (Pima + 1 other county), 1 state-wide lender (AZ), and 1 national lender, not in that order, is represented here. 


 Thanks for running the numbers Chris!

Is it typical for all long term commercial debt to come with a ballon? Never really sure what the future holds, but I would like to hold for cash flow. 

I am also looking to build/develop the property in a build to rent fashion. Not sure if that changes anything. `

Hi all. 

I am working on the feasibility of a joint venture multifamily development. I would like to re-finance into long term debt once the project is finished using a DSCR type loan. Is it possible to get fixed rate debt for 5<20 unit properties?

1.) What would rates look like relative to single family/small multifamily? 

2.) What are typical term lengths? Can they be 30 years, or is 10-15 years more typical?

3.)How proven will the property need to be before refinancing into this type of debt? I am assuming it would need to be completely finished with 50-80% occupancy. 

Any advice would be appreciated. I like the idea of the fixed long term debt from a risk perspective, but I’m not sure if this is typical of commercial development projects.