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All Forum Posts by: Frank Harris

Frank Harris has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

Frank Harris
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Quote from @David Vanlandingham:

@Frank Harris if you are building in Cape Coral, permitting is through the City of Cape Coral, not Lee County.  Areas that Stetson mentioned that were hit hard would be dealing with permitting through Lee County.  I would not anticipate any major delays in permitting for your build.

Also, look in to the 1031 exchange and the holding period, it's murky waters because there is no clear rule on this. If you build and sell in under a year, you may be viewed as a dealer and be subject to shot term capital gains.  I'm sure a CPA or 1031 expert can chime in here.  This clip from an article hits a few points:

How long must property be held for investment in a 1031 tax-deferred exchange? This is one of the most commonly asked questions in an exchange transaction. Though the Internal Revenue Code and Treasury Regulations are silent on this issue, a careful analysis of case law yields some principles that can be stated with certainty.

First, the IRS has issued several rulings stating that if the property a Taxpayer seeks to exchange was acquired immediately before the attempted exchange, then the Taxpayer will be viewed as having acquired that property primarily to resell for profit, not held for investment. (See Revenue Rulings 84-121, 77-337, and 57-244). The IRS has also taken the position that if replacement property is disposed of immediately after the exchange, the property would not be viewed as being held for a qualified purpose (investment) under IRC section 1031. (See Revenue Ruling 75-292). Courts have been more liberal on the issue of how long a Taxpayer must hold a relinquished property to prove investment intent (See 124 Front Street Inc. v. Commissioner, 65 T.C. 6 (1975)) but tend to agree with the IRS on disqualifying an exchange when the replacement property is disposed of soon after acquisition (See Black v. C.I.R. 35 T.C. 90 (1960)).

In Private Letter Ruling 8429039 (1984), the IRS stated that a holding period of two years would be a sufficient period of time for the property to be considered held for investment. Though private letter rulings do not constitute binding precedent, some tax advisors believe that two years is an adequate holding period, assuming that the investor not only held the property for two years, but that he intended to do so for investment purposes.

Some tax advisors believe that one-year is also a sufficient holding period, for two reasons. First, if investment property is held for 12 months or more, the investor'­s tax returns will reflect this fact in two tax filing years. Second, in 1989, through HR 3150, Congress had proposed that both the relinquished and replacement properties be held for one year to qualify for tax-deferred treatment. Though this timeline was just a proposal, and it was never incorporated into the tax code, some tax advisors nevertheless believe that it represents a reasonable minimum guideline.


 This is really good to know David, thank you. So most likely I will hold for a couple of years and let it appreciate and then see where I'm at. Also, I didn't know that I am going through the city of Cape Coral for permitting, I thought it was Lee County, good to know. Thanks again.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

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Quote from @Stetson Miller:

Hi @Frank Harris,

I just wanted to second everything mentioned above, including that home being a great bed/bath layout, the previously high and now huge demand for housing in this area, and the future growth potential

To answer your initial question a bit more directly though, to Southwest Florida as a whole, it's unlikely that Hurricane Ian will have any lasting impact on the general area as a whole. Obviously there were some local markets that saw total devastation such as Sanibel, Fort Myers Beach, etc. Those specific markets are likely to see the exact issues that you're cautious of running into, but these problems are likely to stay specific to these heavy-hit markets. Cape Coral, for example, which endured minimal to moderate damage on average, will likely easily recover to previous levels within the coming months

Florida certainly did have and still does have an insurance issue, but strong storms are not likely to influence this greatly as this is something that the larger and more reputable insurance companies have already accounted for. This is obviously a complete 180 from what you're likely reading on the news about the issue, but the key word here is 'reputable'. Until Florida is able to legislate regulation on the fraudulent insurance claims that are rampant here right now, you're likely to see minimal annual increases. As that progresses though, I can assure you there's not going to be a mass migration out of the state any time soon


 Hey Stetson, thanks for chiming in and giving me your thoughts on the area, I really appreciate it.  I'm about 80% sure we will still go with the deal. I'm just not sure if I should build and then sell or hold ot for a couple of years and let it appreciate.  Only time will tell on what the market will look like in about a year or so when my house is built.  I'm already expecting a month or 2 on delays from the long permitting process in Lee County.  I'm just hoping for the best. Thanks again for your feedback.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

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Quote from @Daniel Murphy:

I have a STR down there & drove down the day after Ian to clean up the property. I freaked out a bit as neighbors told me that it would take years for the area to get back to normal & trying to get me to shift my house to LTR (so their friend could rent it). After coming back & getting more bookings for contractors, insurance adjusters etc, we decided to keep it a STR.
We're not worried about the long term health of the area.  


That is good to hear. Do you have a pool? I talked to a STR management company and they said if I wanna do STR that I should have a pool because a third of the STR homes have a pool. How is your STR doing out there?

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

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Quote from @Brad S.:

I would not have an issue buying more rentals in Cape Coral right now. Although, prices have gone up since I bought last year, I still like the future potential. I still like the metrics (population growth, wealth, wages, employment, etc.) and now, unfortunately, there is going to be more of a housing shortage (at least temporarily) due Ian's devastation. This should just fuel more demand, at least temporarily.

I had no trouble finding insurance for my rental and changed companies earlier this year for a better rate. I think you may see a bump up in value, including rents, in the near future, but since you haven't started building yet, building costs may go up and it may take longer to build, due to shortages and increased demand, after the storm. You may be in a good position, since you are already in the permit process and your 4 bed + den is a great choice. I had to get a 3/2, since I had time constraints with my exchange and that is what was available.

I bought a new build through a group last year and the head person had experience in the FL real estate market after Hurricane Andrew (1992). And these are bullet points from their experience and their current expectations since Ian:

* overload for construction and insurance business
* The destroyed homes need to be built to current standards, which will take time, and this contributes to lower inventory and increased demand for existing real estate.
* Owners of damaged properties get an insurance check and need to either buy or rent existing houses, since their homes are not habitable.
* Construction workers increase in the area and they either buy or rent houses
* They have over 100 homes in current stage of construction and none had any major damage, most were fine with minimal damage

Bottomline, I think you are in a very good position and I really like SW FL market for it's great potential, probably significantly better than a midwest market, at least for appreciation potential. If you do want to sell your lot and deal, I could probably find a buyer for you, but honestly, I would go through with it, if I were you.


 Hey, thanks for your detailed response. You have really good points to look at and responses like these ones makes us feel way better about our position we are in right now.  But as we were watching that hurricane shift south right into the area where we are doing are first deal, it was a little scary and we didn't know what to do now since this has happened.  We do think we will end up staying with the deal and hope for the best. Maybe we will build and sell and we do a 1031 exchange into 2 properties in the Midwest or we hold onto too the house for a couple of years and let it appreciate more. We will see when that time comes. Thanks again for your well thought out response.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

Frank Harris
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Quote from @David Vanlandingham:

Frank, I work for a builder in Cape Coral and I can tell you that nothing is slowing down for us. Experienced investors and institutional investors are buying left and right. The lack of inventory before Ian made this a great environment and now the unfortunate home owners and renters are displaced. There is a serious crunch going on right now. Try to book a hotel in Cape Coral, no dice. There is a huge push for affordable housing in Lehigh Acres because the city of Cape Coral is backed up. Lehigh Acres permitting goes through Lee County which has a shorter time frame for permitting. The demand for housing in SWFL is strong and you should be good as long as your build cost is $180 per sq ft or less under air. 

Thanks for the info, that it reassuring to hear. I just hope the market doesn't plummet by the time they are done with the house in about a year or so.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

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Quote from @Rong Tan:

When did you start permiting? Prepare for a 6 months wait for permit and may be longer now due to Ian

Yes,  you are correct about the permit wait. I started last month. But now I'm sure this is gonna set me back another month or two.

Post: New Build in Cape Coral Florida

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Hello, I'm just getting into real estate investing and my first deal (well maybe) is gonna be in Cape Coral Florida with a new build. I took out a HELOC for 150k and I already bought a lot in Cape Coral for 55k. The house will cost 289k to build. Its a 4 bed plus den 2 bath house. I'm in the permitting process right now but me and my wife are a little scared now due to the impact hurricane IAN had on Southwest Florida. What effect do you think this hurricane will have for the housing market in Cape Coral? Do I still go with the deal or do I get out now and invest somewhere in the Midwest? Florida already had a housing insurance problem and now hurricane IAN has came along. What are your thoughts on what's gonna happen to housing insurance in Florida?