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All Forum Posts by: Frank Cannata

Frank Cannata has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Originally posted by @David S.:

Another investor I know only does m2m on his large portfolio of class A properties. He said with a year lease, there's a deadline to make a decision - stay or go? For m2m, they just keep paying, and something has to happen to cause tenants to leave. 

 thank you David. If i do end up buying this property i think i will continue with this method, although i definitely am not looking to go and pickup cash 1x/month either! 

Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

@Frank Cannata I hate cash and money orders - those require me to go to the bank as I can't mobile deposit either.  I have inherited tenants who were required to pay this way and still have one I need to convert over.  

whats your preferred method for collecting payment? Running to the bank every month seems like overkill for sure, not something i was excited to hear. Seems like this guy has a good thing going, just didn't adapt with technology though at all. 

Originally posted by @Nick Mulligan:

@Jennifer T. Interesting strategy, because I was thinking of doing the opposite, kind of like what @John Woodrich mentioned. What about going month to month with your tenants, and when you know they are good people with a reliable bank account, extending them to a longer lease to hopefully reduce your turnover rate? The month to month lease could be a "trial" phase to see if you want to lock those tenants in with a longer lease.

Your friend,

Nick

 i like that idea Nick. I thought it was odd that one person was on it 4.5 years now, seemed like it would be better to extend them but it seems to be working for him all these years. 

This guy on top of his job said he goes to the house at least once per week and collected rents with cash, cashiers check or money order only. That seemed excessive to me. 

Originally posted by @Jennifer T.:

I typically start a new lease as a 12-month lease and then it converts to month-to-month after that.  But I do understand the "pros" of LLs that always sent their leases up as MTM.

For an inherited tenant(s) situation, I would be THRILLED if they were already on a MTM lease.  Because I don't know how the current owner screened them.  I don't know how lax the current owner is or isn't about rent/lease terms.  Rents are often below market in those situations.  With a MTM, it gives me so much more flexibility in potentially giving a 30-Day Notice to adjust rents, add/subtract lease terms, and/or weed out problem tenants.

i guess i never thought about it that way since i'm inheriting tenants! great insight, thank you for that! 

Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

For single family houses I ask for a year lease, for MF I put people on M2M.  Reason I put them on M2M is that it is easier to get rid of a problem tenant or a tenant who may be causing tenant/tenant drama if they are on a M2M lease.  You simply tell them you are not renewing and they have XX days to get out.  If you had a year lease and ran into issues that were outside of our lease agreement you simply couldn't kick them out.  That lease is a binding contract on both parties, they have a right to live there for a year under a annual lease.  

Your strategy may depend based on area but in my instance I don't have to worry about finding someone quickly if needed.  It isn't fun to rent places in MN during the winter however I don't have an issue in my area, this may not be the case for other areas. Also, if they want out of the lease I find it easier to let them out by having them giving me timely notice instead of leaving upset without any notice. 

ok, that was his reason too, he said all he has to do is give a 30 day notice and he is good, seems like everything i read says the opposite though. Thanks for your input, i appreciate it!

I went and looked at a 4plex this weekend, the owner happened to be there doing some work on the property so we got to talking with him which was awesome, he has owned and managed the place himself for 13 years. 

One thing that had me confused though, he said the previous owner he bought the place from told him to only do Month-to-Month leases with tennants so that "he can avoid paying the $500 to evict them". He said he just "has to make sure he sends them a 30 day notice and he is good." He has been doing this for 13 years. Currently has one of the units rented out 4.5 years, the other unit 2.5 years, then the 2 other units have people coming in right now. 

This is in Minnesota. 

does anyone know what the benefit would be to keeping it month to month? Is he correct? or has he just been extremely lucky for 13 years? seems like everything i read says i want to get my tenants on a year lease. 

thanks in advance for the help!