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All Forum Posts by: Christopher Triolo

Christopher Triolo has started 2 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Vermont REIA

Christopher TrioloPosted
  • Waterbury, VT
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 1

Thanks @Hunter A. Fenn! I did email her last night actually. Bummer, I thought the meeting was tonight. Oh well, next time! I appreciate the note. 

Chris

Post: Vermont REIA

Christopher TrioloPosted
  • Waterbury, VT
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 1

Hi All,

I've been in and out of the forums for years but would also love to meet up with people and actually start strategizing how to get going. Got massively burned on a property that I just managed to fire sale my way out of last year, so still a bit tentative.

I'm over in Washington County but happy to meet up in Chittenton. So if there is an email list or a FB group going please add me!

Thanks

Chris

Wow thank you all for the suggestions and ideas! I really appreciate it everyone! @Blair Knowles Thank you for the detailed ideas great advice! I'm still a little bit uncertain about starting higher and then dropping the price in regular intervals. Doesn't that just make it look like there's something wrong with the property? I know when I see a property that's been on the market for a while and it goes down in price, I wonder what's wrong with it... 

But I'll definitely talk that one over with my realtor, thanks for the ideas! 

Again, thank you all for the advice! 

-Chris

Hello All, I had posted this a while ago, but now I wanted to put all of the numbers out there and see if I could generate any creative solutions to my real estate problem. I'm not trying to sell the property on this post, so hopefully it doesn't get flagged for that reason, I just wanted to be completely transparent about the whole situation so anyone willing to offer some advice would know what I'm dealing with. Sorry it's so long, but I wanted to be thorough. Thanks in advance! 

So here's the deal with my current real estate conundrum. I have a townhouse in Western Massachusetts (Lanesboro), that was originally my primary residence but when I left the area in 2008 I couldn't sell it so I began renting it out. It's a unique property for the area with lake access but also on a busy road. When I purchased the town house in 2006, I got what I thought was a good deal at $169,500 at 6.5% interest only for 15 years with a balloon mortgage after that and a PMI of $66. The house appraised fro $201,000 and I thought I'd stay in in for a few years, and then sell it. My mentality was, the house will appreciate faster in those 3-5 years than I could pay down the mortgage with a P&I payment, and I'll cash out at between $180k-$190k and make a few bucks... WRONG!

Fast forward to today, I still have a $153,000 mortgage on the town house (Interest only), it's valued at around $163,000 (according to Zillow and other resources I've found) but there's a similar unit on sale for $169,000 in the complex that hasn't sold. I've had it rented since 2009 at $1,200 a month (minus a 10% manager fee), which covers the mortgage payment of $1,080 but doesn't cover the $268 association fee. The tenant pays for electricity. I've depreciated it each year straight line so the book value is down in $140's.

My tenant is moving out the end of June and I'm going to try and sell. But the market is still pretty soft in the area, and I need around $165,000 in order to break even (5% commissions, closing and lawyer fees, plus paying off the 1st mortgage).

I've tried and failed to refinance the property on multiple occasions, even through the HARP 2 program, but everyone keeps coming back with, "you don't have a 75/25 LTV ratio, so we won't touch it". I got one bank to agree to a refinance, that wouldn't save me any money (payments would be the same) but I would pay down some principle. But it would cost $4,000-$5,000 in closing costs and still have a PMI payment. But that fell through because there's an issue with the way the original title was keyed into some system on the Fanny Mae end, and they couldn't find the exact address that's written on the title in the system and Fanny won't change it to match the title, therefore, I can't get an approval for the refinance. It's a matter of the property being the 5th unit in the 3rd building of the complex and being written on the title as 305, but that not showing up in the Fanny Mae system.

Anyway, I've given up trying to refinance it, my tenant is leaving and I'm not sure I could re-rent it at the current rate, and basically the best case scenario is I sell it a loss (between $8,000 -$20,000 is my best estimate). The HOA won't allow weekly rentals or Air BnB style stuff which is a shame because I could rent the heck out of it for the summer and winter (it's near both lakes, mountains, Tanglewood, and a ski resort). Plus I'd have to pay the depreciation recovery tax as well (although I'm not too worried about that). I don't want to short sell it because that'll hurt my credit and ultimately other real estate endeavors including a new house I'd like to buy in the near future.

So there you have it... That's pretty much the story. I'm painting and cleaning it beginning of July and plan on putting it on the market for $159,000 plus a bunch of incentives like paying the rest of the year's association dues to try and entice someone to come in and take it off my hands. If I can get anywhere in the $150's I'm still coming to the table with about $10 grand, but that's doable for me and totally worth it. Anything lower than that... well I'd like to avoid if at all possible, but I don't think I will be able to. I'm also moving to Vermont, so I'll be about 2 hours away from the property, so marketing and selling myself doesn't really make much sense. 

That's everything! Any ideas would certainly be helpful!

Resurrecting this post! Sorry it's been such a long time since I posted here. Here's the details on the investment property. Sorry it's so long!!! Thanks to @Albert Bui @Wendy Noble for previously posting here!

So here's the deal with my current real estate conundrum. I have a townhouse in Western Massachusetts (Lanesboro), that was originally my primary residence but when I left the area in 2008 I couldn't sell it so I began renting it out. It's a unique property for the area with lake access but also on a busy road. When I purchased the town house in 2006, I got a good deal at $169,500 at 6.5% interest only for 15 years with a balloon mortgage after that and a PMI of $66. The house appraised fro $201,000 and I thought I'd stay in in for a few years, and then sell it. My mentality was, the house will appreciate faster in those 3-5 years than I could pay down the mortgage with a P&I payment, and I'll cash out at between $180k-$190k and make a few bucks... WRONG!

Fast forward to today, I still have a $153,000 mortgage on the town house (Interest only), it's valued at around $163,000 (according to Zillow and other resources I've found) but there's a similar unit on sale for $169,000 in the complex that hasn't sold. I've had it rented since 2009 at $1,200 a month (minus a 10% manager fee), which covers the mortgage payment of $1,080 but doesn't cover the $268 association fee. The tenant pays for electricity. I've depreciated it each year straight line so the book value is down in $140's.

My tenant is moving out the end of June and I'm going to try and sell. But the market is still pretty soft in the area, and I need around $165,000 in order to break even (5% commissions, closing and lawyer fees, plus paying off the 1st mortgage).

I've tried and failed to refinance the property on multiple occasions, even through the HARP 2 program, but everyone keeps coming back with, you don't have a 75/25 LTV ratio, so we won't touch it. I got one bank to agree to a refinance, that wouldn't save me any money (payments would be the same) but I would pay down some principle. But it would cost $4,000-$5,000 in closing costs and still have a PMI payment. But that fell through because there's an issue with the way the original title was keyed into some system on the Fanny Mae end, and they couldn't find the exact address that's written on the title in the system and Fanny won't change it to match the title, therefore, I can't get an approval for the refinance. It's a matter of the property being the 5th unit in the 3rd building of the complex and being written on the title as 305, but that not showing up in the Fanny Mae system.

Anyway, I've given up trying to refinance it, my tenant is leaving and I'm not sure I could re-rent it at the current rate, and basically the best case scenario is I sell it a loss (between $8,000 -$20,000 is my best estimate). The HOA won't allow weekly rentals or Air BnB style stuff which is a shame because I could rent the **** out of it for the summer and winter (it's near both lakes, and a ski resort). Plus I'd have to pay the depreciation recovery tax as well (although I'm not too worried about that). I don't want to short sell it because that'll hurt my credit and ultimately other real estate endeavors including a new house I'd like to buy in the near future.

So there you have it... That's pretty much the story. I'm painting and cleaning it beginning of July and plan on putting it on the market for $159,000 plus a bunch of incentives like paying the rest of the year's association dues to try and entice someone to come in and take it off my hands. If I can get anywhere in the $150's I'm still coming to the table with about $10 grand, but that's doable for me and totally worth it. Anything lower than that... well I'd like to avoid if at all possible, but I don't think I will be able to.

That's everything! Any ideas would certainly be helpful!

-Chris    

Hello All, 

I'm actually moving up to Vermont from Boston in about a week, so I'd definitely also be interested in attending the meetings and connecting with other people in the real estate world. I'll be keeping an eye out for the meetings, but any heads up would be marvelous, or if people want to meet outside of the regularly scheduled meetings that would be awesome as well! I'll be in living in Williston and working in South Burlington.   

-Chris

Wow thanks for the replies everyone! @Albert Bui  I did actually have to get mortgage insurance on the property initially, what financial institutions do you use to refinance because everyone I've contacted would only finance up to 75% in the property before they'll even consider it (that's both large and small banks). 

@Account Closed That's a really interesting idea about the pocket listing. I do have a realtor that I work with but perhaps I can interview others to see if they have other suggestions or ideas. 

Not that I have a lot of equity in the house, but would you think I could do some form of owner financing if I found an interested party, or lease to own kind of deal? Anyone have any experience in that area? 

Thanks again so much for all of you help!

-Chris

Hello all. I've got a rental property that has caused me some headaches over the years and I'd like to brainstorm some ways to change the situation I'm in. To make a long story short here are the details: I purchased an attached 2 story townhouse in Western Massachusetts where I was working and living in 2006. At the time I got it for a deal about $30k under what it appraised for. Then I moved out of the area in 2008 right before the market crashed. Crash happens and I'm lucky enough to rent it out in 2009 (but rent doesn't cover costs) and have been renting it out at a loss ever since. Rent is set as high as the market will take (if I raise it more my tenant will walk) and I've talked with several banks about refinancing, but that's a no go since they only will look at a refi of 75%. The property is probably at roughly what I paid for it back in 2006 and still rented, I don't know exactly how much because there are no comps in the area that have really sold. I'm negatively geared both before and after taxes. I've got a horrible interest rate and mortgage that no one will go near, and I don't have $40k to put into the house to get me down enough to refinance it. It's classified as an investment property now, so even though it was eligible for HARP refinance, no bank will touch it since it's an "investment property" now.There's a similar unit on the market that isn't selling, so I'm looking for all options that don't include selling (obviously if I could I would). Thoughts anyone?