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All Forum Posts by: Dan NA

Dan NA has started 10 posts and replied 24 times.

Scott thanks for that insight. Agent never mentioned that the owners got cash for keys but that sounds like a possibility.

Technically its not an REO since the original owners are still the owners and they have a lawyer who submitted our offer to the bank.

What is somewhat puzzling is that originally when we spoke to the agent who put the house on the market, he said the bank had call him to sell the house, so it was a "short sale". So he did the BPO and put it on MLS. Normally the owners would call the agent and setup a short sale but this wasn't the case here.

I would guess that after our counter the bank needs to foreclose on the original owers. But at the same time, the owners are no longer in the residence.

We countered and are still waiting to hear back. I am under the assumption One-West is using drive by appraisals and/or thinks the market is in recovery, lmao.

Post: First and Second Position Mortgage Companies Goto Court

Dan NAPosted
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  • New Jersey
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Steve thanks for that input. Very interesting that there is a 10 day spread in PA. Honestly I wouldn't know how to figure out what position is what in this case. I have gotten word that the bank in going to put the property on the market soon though from an agent.

Post: First and Second Position Mortgage Companies Goto Court

Dan NAPosted
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  • New Jersey
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Hey Jon thanks for the reply.

Wow that is very interesting. I am going to have to make a few calls to find out the law here in nj. First lien holder got the property for a $100 dollars which I think is the normal recovery price.

Post: First and Second Position Mortgage Companies Goto Court

Dan NAPosted
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  • New Jersey
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Hi all,

I wanted to get some clarity on the first and second mortgage holders on a property I have been keeping an eye on recently.

The first position mortgage company has sued and gotten the property back via court. But I just also noticed that the second mortgage company is also suing and there court date is coming up. I thought the second mortgage holder automatically got wiped out once the first mortgage took a property back.

Hi everyone, just wanted share another short sale story (maybe I should say saga, lol). This is for my personal residency and not an investment property.

First I am sure many of you are aware that OneWest Bank has taken over IndyMacs assets. From what I recall reading a few weeks ago they paid 25 cents on the dollar.

Ok so here goes the tale. Five months ago we came across a property that was on a short sale. Short background story was that the people who owned the property were there for over 15 years. Toward the peak of the housing the bubble they refinanced twice (within a few years) based on the inflated price and eventually just couldn't afford the payments. Apparently they had some money issues etc but they actually owned a pretty fair share of the home after living there for so long in comparison to other short sales I have taken part in. The agent mentioned to us that the bank wouldn't be losing much on this house even if it was on a short sale which sounded like a plus to me.

So we checked out the property and they had just moved out of the house. The bank gave them cash for keys. The agent set the BPO at 255k. We bid and so did a few other folks. Our bid was the highest at 250k. The house has potential but needs work. So we sat and waited for 3 months and heard nothing back. Having gone through the short sale motions a few times we found this odd and pressed the agent to get more information. It was run around as usual.

IndyMac finally came back after 4 months and said they thought this house was up for load modification, but would now put it into the correct list. So finally after month 5, they have come back to us and said there appraiser said the house was worth 330k. Needless to say I was like wtf? Did this guy walk inside the house or even look at it from the outside?? The BPO was 260k and there appraiser came back with 330k? 70k difference wow...

Condition:
House on the exterior needs all new siding. The wood siding is falling off in chunks. Living room and kitchen, all new carpeting (Maybe even need new flooring) since there dog went to town (urine). One of the bedrooms has water damage from adjacent bathroom. Another of the rooms is a converted garage (something we planned on removing as the garage doors are still there). And the other major portion of work that I saw was that the first floor cement foundation had a huge crack running the length of the garage floor. Don't know how expensive that last item could cost but I estimated that it would take about 30k to get the place up to near peak potential.

We didn't submit a packet with this short sale, really didn't see the need as the BPO was right along what we felt was the correct price.

I was somewhat left dumbfounded at the end of last week. Why would the bank put the house on the market with an agent and not get an appraisal done first? The spread from the agents BPO to there appraisal isn't close. We just countered and bumped up our bid by 10k but we really aren't sure if this is going to go anywhere considering that to me it seems they want to play hard ball and are probably looking for us to add 35k more into the pot. The pot that no one else is bidding on lol.

Well that is pretty much it in a nutshell. Would love to hear some feedback or suggestion or critiques from the community.

Post: Mold and Rehabbing (Simple or Complex)

Dan NAPosted
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  • New Jersey
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Hi everyone, just took a look at a property that had a lot of work done to it (Sheet rocking & electrical) and then apparently they had money problems and the bank took over the property. The REO guy who showed us the property said when the bank got the property they had gotten there too late because there was some sort of leak that had a massive amount of ice on the inside. Property wasn't winterized in time. This of course led to a huge amount of black mold on 2 and the 3 floors in and around the leak (bathroom and adjacent room).

The property definitely needs mold remediation in both bathrooms and the adjacent rooms. Bathrooms would need all the tiling work ripped off and redone since the affected walls are behind the tiles. The rest of the house has no appliances and or heating system in place yet.

So my thinking is it would need all the sheet rock in the effective areas torn down. Mold would have to be hepa vac'ed and the remaining wood studs sprayed with anti-mold chemicals and then painted over with killz.

How realistic of a plan do others think this is? I read that the studs may need to scraped and or soda and/or sandblasted.

Hi everyone,

Thought I would update on the topic. Ok so I asked about testing the mechanicals and the realtor said they would be willing to turn it on but I would have to pay for the de-winterization. It was going to cost like 350 bucks.

Well things aren't going to work out for me on this property regardless so I am not going to going any further. My mortgage guy told me he could get me the mortgage but it was contingent on the house having working mechanicals. Eventhough I have money on hand to get the boiler installed the bank won't give me the cash to get the deal down.

Real shame because the few REO's I have seen all have some sort of mechanicals issue. Awhile back I spoke with a hard money lender and they weren't interested in small deals.

Jon based on that factor should I assume the worse when making my offer on the place or should I just assume everything works?