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All Forum Posts by: Ethan McRae

Ethan McRae has started 20 posts and replied 63 times.

Post: Taking on an ADU in MA now or later?

Ethan McRaePosted
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With the new Affordable Homes Act , come Feb 2nd 2025, you can build an ADU by-right and also use the ADU as a long-term rental in Massachusetts. Said differently, you won't need a special ADU permit to create an ADU.

I'm interested in potentially purchasing a single-family home in eastern MA (Norfolk or Middlesex county), and doing this exactly. The ultimate goal would be to live more affordably with the help of rental income, and then to cash flow after moving out. However, I have some reservations about buying a house before seeing how things shake out after Feb 2nd for a few reasons: 

- Towns seem very unclear about how they will adopt this new law. Many towns don't have any ADU ordinances. The towns that do have ADU guidelines could completely change their rules. I wouldn't want to buy a house today with an ADU plan in mind only to find out that it wouldn't work once guidelines change later on.

- From what I understand, just because you can build an ADU by right doesn't mean you can build whatever structure you want. It seems like towns could dictate if you can build an attached vs detached adu for instance. I worry that towns might make the zoning requirements for ADUs so specific that it would just be too cumbersome/costly to pursue this.

- Towns could potentially challenge the law if they don't love the idea of people living in the backyard of SFHs. That would make it tough to pursue this for obvious reasons. 

Really seems like the smart move is to just hold on and wait to see what happens in early spring next year, but if anyone feels differently, I'm all ears. Is anyone planning on taking advantage of this new law? I'd love to hear about your general strategy. 



Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

Get fee sheets or loan estimates from whichever 2-3 lenders you're considering and make an apples to apples comparison. APR will tell a more complete picture than note rate, but APR can still be deceiving. A couple things to understand:

- Rate is a function of price. You can pretty much have whatever rate you want if you're willing to pay for it. Dont get hung on the number value of a rate on a loan estimate - figure out what you're paying for that rate

- Read up on the differences between boxes A, B, and C on a loan estimate. Box A is direct lender charges, box B are things the lender is making you get that you cannot shop for (for instance, the appraisal or credit report), and box C is closing costs that you can shop/control

- Lenders can move things around between boxes A and B to change the way costs appear. Get the lender to explain the items to you

- Dont make surface level comparisons of monthly payments or APR. Some lenders grossly underestimate tax and insurance escrow payments or closing costs out of incompetence or deceptiveness. If there is a disparity on loan estimates for either of these items, at least one of them is wrong, and the APR may be based on unrealisticly low costs.

- Quality absolutely, 100% makes a difference when it comes to lenders. This is a very important and expensive transaction - this isnt the place to be penny wise and pound foolish. Credit unions are notorious for having bad and incompetent underwriting and process. You may think you're being savvy by saving a couple hundred bucks only to have your loan fall apart a week before closing and miss out on your deal. Once youve made an apples to apples comparison between lenders, weigh both the cost differences AND the differences in quality/competence. If one lender is clearly more competent than the other but is also offering a higher rate, ask to see a what a buydown to the rate you want would cost for the better lender. This is often the $ cost of quality and will help clarify your options - the cost may be worth it, or it may not. Also, do not compare costs over a 30 yr period - very few people keep the same mortgage for 30 years. 5-10 years is more realistic.

- Overlays - some lenders may have more restrictive overlays than Conventional guidelines call for. This is especially true when the lender plans to balance sheet the loan (like many credit unions do). You may be told you're allowed to count/use XYZ at lender A, only to get told by Lender B that you cant count/use XYZ. This goes back to the above point about quality.

Hope this helps.
 


 Really appreciate this. Thanks

I'm a first-time home buyer interested in house hacking. I'm interested in getting a conventional loan and considering using a credit union. 

With rates as they currently are, I'm looking for every angle to get the lowest rate possible, and from what I understand, credit unions can offer rates slightly lower than traditional banks. 

Curious to hear about investors' experience with credit unions. Have you secured considerably lower mortgage rates with credit unions compared to traditional bank rates? How would you go about looking into credit unions? Is there an efficient way to compare APRs between credit unions?

Many thanks

@Aaron K. excellent, and yeah good tip. Many of the costs I believe are probably a little unrealistic but assuming the property can cash flow with these numbers, hopefully it can do much better once purchased 

@Aaron K. three units total- two are two bedrooms and one is one bedroom. This is an fha loan and 5 percent is the best I can do at the moment. Yes, for the first year, this will be a house hack and then I will move out after. This analysis is taking into account how the property will perform once I have moved out and filled the empty unit. 

If I could just get some feedback on this analysis/opinions on whether or not its a worthy investment, please let me know. The property is in Lynn, MA- which is close to Boston. 

I know the roi doesn't look super appealing, BUT I believe my numbers are pretty conservative. For instance, I don't believe that 15% rent will go to capx and repairs every month. That being said, if it can barely cash flow with conservative hypothetical numbers, I believe it can do well in real life. Also hopefully I can lose the PMI once enough equity is built.

Thanks!

@Kenneth Garrett just to clarify- when you say "additional bedrooms do not necessarily equate to income at the same ratio per bedroom" do you mean that if there is a difference of 600 dollars in rent between a two and three-bedroom, then there might not necessarily be a difference of 600 dollars between what a three and four-bedroom unit rents for? Like it could perhaps just be 300 dollar difference?

@Maurice Selva I see. Sounds like young families that wouldn't want to move out given financial circumstances is the sweet spot. Thanks for the tip 

@Account Closed Oof, yeah I wouldn't want random bathrooms popping up all of a sudden in my units. Thank you