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All Forum Posts by: Ethan Hanes

Ethan Hanes has started 7 posts and replied 63 times.

Post: First Time Investor — Question!

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Patrick Drury:

@Ethan Hanes

I bought my first rental at 19

How was your experience with it? Learned a lot and overall and it ended up really well. I turned the property, put a new tenant in place and it's cash flowing really good

What type of loan did you use? Conventional loan 15% down on a single family non-owner occupant 

What is your opinion on this type of investment as a beginner? A house hack is a great way to get started. Live in one unit and rent the other unit out as well as the other bedrooms in your unit. 


 Patrick, this is good input. Thanks a lot! I don’t think I would want to do a non-owner occupant property, since I need a place to live lol. But that’s definitely a good idea.

Post: First Time Investor — Question!

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Zach Wain:

23 years old, I bought a primary home with the idea of converting it to a rental down the road.  It was 2007.  Bad timing!!  The lesson that I learned, dollar cost averaging is the best long term plan and be ready for ups and downs.  If you commit to the long term it will work out.  If the market changes embrace it and be ready to buy more.  Tough lesson to learn though!  


 OOF! I talk to investors who say this too! They purchased their property at the wrong time. Kinda crazy how that can happen! 

Post: First Time Investor — Question!

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Account Closed:

My first deal was at 20 years old, I invested in a multifamily real estate sydication. I got really lucky, and when I went full cycle I made 80% in a 2 year period! not bad! 


 That’s awesome Zachary! Just out of curiosity, how much did you invest? What program did you use to invest?

Ethan

Post: First Time Investor — Question!

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Robert Reynolds:

Hi Ethan, 

I bought my first home at 24 years old, it was a house hack in the San Fernando Valley. I rented out my spare two bedrooms to my friends and basically owned a house and paid about $300 myself towards the mortgage. It was a great way to buy a home when I was young and ok with having roommates and I recommend doing to same to all young investors looking to get their first property. Start with a low down payment (3.5% FHA or 5% conventional), rent out spare room and even garage space, and live for virtually free. While doing that fix it up with some sweat equity, creating that forced appreciation, and buy your next. Keep repeating that and you will be financially stable in no time.

I sold that and bought my current home in Westchester. Wish I kept that one as it has appreciated a ton since selling, but I needed the funds in my mind to buy my current house. At that time I wasn't a BP listener and if I had something like BP back then I would have taking a heloc out or cash out refi and used that money to buy my next house. I am currently building an ADU on my primary and just bought my first investment property in Joshua Tree, that will soon be live on AIRBNB and all other STR platforms. Building the ADU may have been a mistake because I could have used that capital and bought several other investment properties at the time, but I won't know for sure for the next few years. I am excited for the STR and think that's the best way to buy an investment property right now.


 Robert, 

Thanks so much for this input. This honestly sounds like the best way to start investing. Did you have a hard time maintaining a healthy relationship with your friends while being their landlord? What was that like? Did you know them before? 

If I were to take this approach, I think I would either offer the bedrooms to some friends or I would post an ad on craigslist and interview them at a coffee shop and get to know them before having them live with me.

I am definitely going to listen to tons of BP podcasts before doing anything.

Thanks again Robert,

Ethan

Post: HONEST opinion on 20 y/o Real Estate job 🫣😬

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Jim Pellerin:

Maybe try looking for wholesale deals in other markets. You already have the skills. With that amount of effort you should be able to do 1 or 2 deals a month. 


 Jim,

All due respect, but everyone works at a different pace. Saying “you should be able to do 1 or 2 deals a month” doesn’t encourage or help anyone. It just discourages those who aren’t making 1 or 2 deals a month. Ask more questions.

Post: HONEST opinion on 20 y/o Real Estate job 🫣😬

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Jim Pellerin:
Quote from @Ethan Hanes:
Quote from @Brian Badolato:

Hey everyone I’ll try to make it short. I’m 20 y/o and my ultimate goal was to primarily learn about real estate. I saw this job app on Indeed “Real Estate Acquisitions” I applied and got hired. 1 week in I realized it’s a small asset management group. 2 wealthy brothers tryna grow their port with 80 units in town and a property manager. Brother A, is the real estate head Acquisitions he meets w sellers lowballs them and also does prop management. Brother B,is the most experienced he’s CEO he’s but now just the numbers guy and talks w mortgage brokers, lenders and brokers etc…

First months was fukin great it was like a newbies dream to enter the real estate. Brother A, took me around properties showed me in person red flags in properties, the construction problems etc... I even saw real estate transactions live in person when he was speaking to sellers directly. I also met this multimillionaire who owns 6 apartments when we wholesaled a this one deal to him. So the experience was awesome.

However once THAT first month was over… the reality set in. I soon realized this job position was to be on the phone for 6-8 hrs a day straight up cold calling. Now I’m two months in I haven’t had my first deal yet this is all commission base. I’m still going…..

To reclarify, The job in a nut shell is to cold call (6-8hrs) get properties under a STRICT ball park range 50-90k a unit in California, then get out to the property and put it under contract. Rinse and repeat cold call again etc…

Both Brothers are encouraging me to keep continuing and tell me these are the “walls” you’ll face. Brother A has been getting deals once a month, that first month I used recycled leads. Now I’m they put me in a market where 50-90k a unit is almost impossible. (I cold called realtors and brokers they said 200-300k in this new market I’m in) and the Brothers rebuttal “they always say that”

This job pay is. Close a 2 units $2,500, close 6 unit and below $5,000. Close 6 units and above $7,500.

I’m having second thoughts about this job and found that I should value my time than cold calling 6-8hrs… It kinda sucks rn, I love real estate and wealth generation but my plan now is to get one property learn the process of acquiring then quit. I’ve been looking into selling life insurance I heard that could be good and has a wayyy better work life balance, I also have a business that helps people and I think life insurance could possibly fit me more than lowballing and offending sellers idk lmk….

The only reason why I’m staying is really gain the experience of that 1st real estate transaction w a seller in person. Then leave…

Let me know what I should do or what you guys would do🙂🙏

BRIAN! I am in the exact same boat as you. I work at a commercial real estate brokerage. I cold call 6 hours a day. I’m 8 months in, and still no sale (although our average sale price is $2.5 million). In my humble opinion, you should get out of that job. Finding $50-90k units is impossible in California. I say that from experience. The fact that you aren’t able to find a deal and they keep pushing towards 50-90k is not good. Maybe stress your worries to them. This might help! Be transparent with them.

@Ethan Hanes @Brian Badolato 9 months cold-calling and no deals, then something is wrong. The product is bad? The script is bad? The leads are bad? And Brian, you said the manager is doing a deal a month? So reach out to him for coaching. 

Jim, I’m in the LA market, starting as a 20 year old, working with investors in commercial real estate. We specialize in one type of building. One deal makes enough commission to suffice for an entire year’s salary. 

I don’t think anything is wrong, I just think the factors aren’t in my favor. Still working my butt off!

Post: HONEST opinion on 20 y/o Real Estate job 🫣😬

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Brian Badolato:

Hey everyone I’ll try to make it short. I’m 20 y/o and my ultimate goal was to primarily learn about real estate. I saw this job app on Indeed “Real Estate Acquisitions” I applied and got hired. 1 week in I realized it’s a small asset management group. 2 wealthy brothers tryna grow their port with 80 units in town and a property manager. Brother A, is the real estate head Acquisitions he meets w sellers lowballs them and also does prop management. Brother B,is the most experienced he’s CEO he’s but now just the numbers guy and talks w mortgage brokers, lenders and brokers etc…

First months was fukin great it was like a newbies dream to enter the real estate. Brother A, took me around properties showed me in person red flags in properties, the construction problems etc... I even saw real estate transactions live in person when he was speaking to sellers directly. I also met this multimillionaire who owns 6 apartments when we wholesaled a this one deal to him. So the experience was awesome.

However once THAT first month was over… the reality set in. I soon realized this job position was to be on the phone for 6-8 hrs a day straight up cold calling. Now I’m two months in I haven’t had my first deal yet this is all commission base. I’m still going…..

To reclarify, The job in a nut shell is to cold call (6-8hrs) get properties under a STRICT ball park range 50-90k a unit in California, then get out to the property and put it under contract. Rinse and repeat cold call again etc…

Both Brothers are encouraging me to keep continuing and tell me these are the “walls” you’ll face. Brother A has been getting deals once a month, that first month I used recycled leads. Now I’m they put me in a market where 50-90k a unit is almost impossible. (I cold called realtors and brokers they said 200-300k in this new market I’m in) and the Brothers rebuttal “they always say that”

This job pay is. Close a 2 units $2,500, close 6 unit and below $5,000. Close 6 units and above $7,500.

I’m having second thoughts about this job and found that I should value my time than cold calling 6-8hrs… It kinda sucks rn, I love real estate and wealth generation but my plan now is to get one property learn the process of acquiring then quit. I’ve been looking into selling life insurance I heard that could be good and has a wayyy better work life balance, I also have a business that helps people and I think life insurance could possibly fit me more than lowballing and offending sellers idk lmk….

The only reason why I’m staying is really gain the experience of that 1st real estate transaction w a seller in person. Then leave…

Let me know what I should do or what you guys would do🙂🙏

BRIAN! I am in the exact same boat as you. I work at a commercial real estate brokerage. I cold call 6 hours a day. I’m 8 months in, and still no sale (although our average sale price is $2.5 million). In my humble opinion, you should get out of that job. Finding $50-90k units is impossible in California. I say that from experience. The fact that you aren’t able to find a deal and they keep pushing towards 50-90k is not good. Maybe stress your worries to them. This might help! Be transparent with them.

Post: First Time Investor — Question!

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41

Hi all! I have a question about real estate investing. I want to hear everyone’s response! The more the better.

At what age did you buy your first property (house and investment)? How was your experience with it? What type of loan did you use? What is something you wish someone told you before you bought it?

In the next 2 years I would like to buy an investment property, ideally a duplex or a house with multiple bedrooms and rent out some of the bedrooms. What is your opinion on this type of investment as a beginner?

I look forward to hearing everyone’s responses and connecting with more people!

Post: Purchase a 4plex evict everyone??

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41

I’m currently living in Los Angeles and it is virtually impossible to just evict tenants. I definitely agree with Thomas Nowak. He made a good point in trying to work with them. The best thing you want to do is let them know extremely far ahead. This will give them time to process and relocate and less time to react negatively. 

I don’t have experience with this, so I’m not sure if it would work, but you could try to keep the tenants you have right now by increasing the rent, but not to market rent. If you’re worried about having vacancies, you might want to consider that. If market rent is +$500, then let the tenants know their rent is being increased +$350. Basically, since they’re already there, you are giving them a discount. If tenants leave, you can renew the unit for a new tenant and charge them +$500. Kind of just a way of showing the tenants you want them there, but you need to be making money as well.

Let me know what you think! Also, if anyone has experience in doing this I’d love to hear more about it.

Post: multifamily investing Property

Ethan HanesPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Westlake Village, CA
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 41

Hi Tammy,

One thing I can tell you is that you won’t regret investing in real estate. There’s quite a few factors besides just the monthly break-even. You have appreciation, tax shelter, and debt pay down. Find ways to make the property you buy look extremely attractive. Add amenities if you can, there’s quite a bit of stuff you can do. You can charge extra for a garage parking spot, laundry, utilities, pets, etc. I say go for it. Make sure you talk with a tax advisor to be sure you’re not digging your own grave. I would say, make your financial goal to break even and pay your mortgage. This way, you won’t make any cash flow for the first couple years, but when you decide to exchange or purchase another property, you will have lots of equity. 

Let me know if you have any more questions! Greatest decision you will make. 

Best,
Ethan