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All Forum Posts by: Eric Smith

Eric Smith has started 8 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Garlinda Price:

So to get the LOC, I will first need a Tenant?

 Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm a buy and hold investor so everything I buy, I'm trying to put a tenant in. It probably depends on the bank you work with.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Garlinda Price:

Great post. I have a quick question. Did you have to show proof of a Tenant to secure the Line of Credit, since is not a primary residence? We closed on a home here in North Carolina with no mortgage.

I called 4 banks and they each told me it had to be my personal residence and the home has no mortgage. Looking forward to your feedback. 

No, I don't have to show proof of tenants in the houses that secure my LOC but my banker has the trust in me to run an efficient business. If I have a rent a house, I will have a tenant and quickly fill any vacancies.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Gautam Venkatesan:

Good stuff thanks for sharing! Since you pay cash and take title in the name of your LLC are you obtaining a commercial loan when you refi?

 Yes, I use commercial loans.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Doug W.:

Great story @Eric Smith. Thanks for sharing but......... no pictures of the truck?!!  :) Maybe I will find it in one of the off-topic threads about what kind of car/truck everyone drives. 

 Haha sorry, no pics. It is a silver 2008 Ram 1500 that had 11k miles at the time.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Justin B.:
Originally posted by @Eric Smith:
Originally posted by @Justin B.:

This is great! @Eric Smith When you make offers with your LOC, are they considered cash purchases? Does the bank need to approve the asset and it's condition? I was just wondering if this strategy could be used to buy inhabitable/distressed properties quickly and cheap using a LOC as cash and use the rest of the LOC for rehab if needed.

I guess you also need to know if you can qualify for a mortgage before purchasing with the LOC You can't have more than 10 loans, correct?

Thanks for sharing.

 Hi Justin,

Yes, you can use the LOC to buy and fix up distressed properties. Also, you probably won't get a LOC without being able to qualify for a loan. That is discussion for you and your banker. I put all my houses under an LLC so I don't have a limit.

Thanks Eric. So you're making cash offers? The LOC will suffice for proof of funds?

Yes, when you have a LOC the bank will transfer the amount you request into your business account. That takes about 5 minutes then you can pay the buyer with a cashier's check. You're paying with cash essentially in the eyes of the owner.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Justin B.:

This is great! @Eric Smith When you make offers with your LOC, are they considered cash purchases? Does the bank need to approve the asset and it's condition? I was just wondering if this strategy could be used to buy inhabitable/distressed properties quickly and cheap using a LOC as cash and use the rest of the LOC for rehab if needed.

I guess you also need to know if you can qualify for a mortgage before purchasing with the LOC You can't have more than 10 loans, correct?

Thanks for sharing.

 Hi Justin,

Yes, you can use the LOC to buy and fix up distressed properties. Also, you probably won't get a LOC without being able to qualify for a loan. That is discussion for you and your banker. I put all my houses under an LLC so I don't have a limit.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Garrett May:

Eric,

Great story! You provided a lot of valuable information for a new investor such as myself. Can you tell me how using the line of credit keeps you from having to put 15-20% down? Or do you still have to put the same percentage down, except it is not your money that you use?

Garrett

 Hi Garrett,

In order to avoid putting 15-20% down I have to buy the property at a discount. If I was to go to my bank to purchase the house on a note without the LOC the bank would use the purchase price as the value of the house. When I purchase the property using the LOC (cash) the bank can then use comps from the neighborhood to appraise the value of the house which will be higher then what I bought the house for when I refinance.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Jeffrey Burnham:

Great to hear about your success. I would love to emulate your results!

(Who do you use for your lines on the rentals? I've encountered some challenges.)

 Hi Jeffrey,

I use a local lender that I have built a relationship with over the past year.

Post: How I turned $10k into a $50k Line of Credit

Eric SmithPosted
  • Omaha, NE
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 30
Originally posted by @Sergio Garcia:

I never have looked into a LOC. What's the terms of a LOC? You got 3 rentals from the 50K, would you say the cash flow of 1 or 2 of the rentals is paying for the LOC? Are you looking at a short term of no cash flow as you pay off the LOC and look at appreciation instead? Are you buying the rentals as a rehab project and gaining equity after the rehab and doing an cash out refi to pay the LOC?

I'm interested after  reading your post and have heard of others doing the same. Thanks

 Hi Sergio,

I only buy for cash flow but I do hope for appreciation. The point of using the line of credit is to put down no or very little money out of my pocket. I buy houses between  $30-50k, so if I pay 15% down on a $40k house I will have to come up with $6k. The money down will knock my mortgage payment down $47 per month. It will take 10.5 years to get my down payment back from the $47 per month. As long as I can cash flow after all my expenses (operating and capital) then my return will be infinite.

Once I use the LOC to purchase the property, I tell my banker how much I will need to put the house on a note. As long as I can be under 85% of the the appraised value of the house, I can finance the the whole amount with the note paying back my LOC...it takes about 2 weeks to get the house put on a note so I can use my LOC to purchase another property.

  • Almost 2 years ago, I was a finance director at a Dodge dealership in my home town. I had been building my rental business but soon learned that having to come up with 15-20% down on each house prevented me from buying at the rate I wanted. So, I asked my banker for a line of credit so that I could buy a house then refinance without having to put money down. The only problem was that I only had one house at the time and my equity in the house was not enough to secure a line of credit.
  • A few weeks after I talked to my banker, a previous customer of mine came to the dealership with the awful news that her husband died. She asked if I knew anyone that would buy his truck. She expressed that she needed $10k for it even though the truck was worth $20k. 
  • I used money I had been saving for my next rental to buy the truck. I then refinanced the truck at 1.9% for $20k. So, I got my initial $10k back and had another $10k for investing.
  • My next step was buying the Birmingham house using the $10k I received from the financing of the truck. I was excited because I didn't have to put any money out of my pocket to buy this rental! I hired a property manager to rent the house and I expected to just sit back and collect rent...the only problem was that the house was having problems getting rented.
  • I decided to go by the house to see what was going on. It was a nice house in a great rental neighborhood. When I walked in, the house looked nice until I walked into the master bedroom to find a toilet seat in the middle. The master bathroom was missing the toilet (the property manager was supposed to have this taken care of). I was appalled that the property manager did not do what he was paid to do AND that he was showing the house to prospective tenants with a toilet in the middle of a bedroom! He was immediately fired and I was discouraged because I was losing money while the house wasn't rented.
  • Luckily, everyone I know and meet gets to hear about my real estate goals. Someone that I worked with was looking to move out of his son's house and asked if I had anything available. I showed him the Birmingham house and he loved it! I eventually sold him the house making an $8k profit.
  • Now, I had my initial $10k back in savings and $18k to use for investing. With the $18k, I bought two rental units at great prices and cash flow. The best thing is that the two rentals I bought had enough equity for my banker to give my company a $50k line of credit!
  • With this line of credit I've bought 3 more rentals putting very little money down. I will be able to build my rental business much more quickly then if I had to put 15-20% down on each house.
  • I hope everyone that reads this post will be able to use the financing techniques I used to help grow their business using $10k to get a $50k line of credit!