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All Forum Posts by: Eric Boughner

Eric Boughner has started 1 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Income verification for travel nurse

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Quote from @Bian Dahab:

Hi, I have a prospective tenant who is a travel nurse on a 13 week assignment. The background check, credit check and eviction history came out fine.

But the candidate is refusing to provide a verification of income. Only the top half of the assignment letter(that doesn’t show the income and the living stipend), no previous paystubs, no previous tax return, no W2, no 1099. We have been back and forth about this and the rationale has been diverse: 

- Does not feel comfortable providing the info without knowing about us personally 

- Offer letter does not guarantee a future income because travel nurse is an at will employee 

- Tax return does not indicate her affordability 

I Would appreciate any advice for us to push back for the right level of information! 




what city do you rent rooms out of Brian? if I have a place where I can setup a room for a future assignment, it may worth be looking into taking a travel assignment in your area.

Post: Income verification for travel nurse

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Quote from @Bian Dahab:

@Eric Boughner That must be why the applicant was very defensive. 

Given that the applicant has been haggling on everything (the room price, the utilities, the parking space, ...and the application fee...) without providing income verification, I declined the application. Either the applicant must be stretching the budget or have a strong scarcity mindset, neither of which is a good sign. 

Afterward, the applicant followed up with the first page of the full offer letter with hourly rates and also offered to provide a verification from the HR. I declined again as I don't want to work with someone who only responds to an ultimatum. 

I agree with your decision 100%! I can’t imagine haggling on rent and utilities. I would have also done the same in your shoes. 

Post: Income verification for travel nurse

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Quote from @Shannon Strickland:

Thank you for your post, Eric. I can see both sides of the argument. By the time I’ve asked for the first page of the contract (post-Prequalification and mid-Application all through RentRedi), the price has already been determined (advertised), so it almost seems criminal to change the determined price mid-application. If I were a traveling medical professional, and the price changed after I showed the proof of income, I would back out and no longer trust the landlord. I permit the numbers to be redacted on the contract because I believe every traveling medical professional earns enough for my property.

I agree! I would be shocked if someone increased the listing price after showing proof of income. In fact, if I remember correctly, the redditor said they were so stunned by my ignorance they were speechless 😂 

Unfortunately housing sometimes can be very difficult to find, so even if the price was raised, the tenant may have no choice but to just take it up the yoo hoo. 

Post: Can’t find lender despite 4K gross/wk???

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Quote from @Aimee Haasteaby:

@Eric Boughner

Have you ever considered trying a different approach to acquiring a property other than the traditional financing?

There are many types of creative financing strategies out there that don't look at your income at all. It's how us "non-W2 earners" buy real estate. Some that might work for you are Seller financing or Subject To.

So many benefits to these methods!

I'm no expert but happy to help however I can.

Good luck!

Never heard of it, but googled the term. Well, to me it sounds like exactly what I need and would love to do, but I can’t really see how I would find anyone to do that. That’s kinda like a rent to own. Sounds lovely in theory, but who would agree to it? Is it some kinda ruse??

Post: Can’t find lender despite 4K gross/wk???

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Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Eric Boughner- thanks   1)  having a  non occupant  coborrower is  definitely an option....all  debt and income for you and co borrower are  factored into the qualification ratios .....your income will not be able to be counted  in the  debt/ income ratios  until you have a min of  12 months of  traveling nurse  history or back to full time RN position  ..also fyi  - your  co borrower is  equally  liable for the mortgage 

Thank you! Also I notice you said 12 months of travel nursing experience to be included in the debt/income ratio as a co-applicant. Earlier you mentioned 2 years experience for me myself to get a mortgage loan. Is it possible for me to get a mortgage after 12 months then? or is it different for single vs co-applicant? And again, I’d like to preface an FHA loan first time home buyer type program where I would like to live in the home. 

Do all lenders stick with the above requirements for a travel nurse? Is it some type of regulation? There’s not some type of lender out there that would actually look at the paychecks, bank history, maybe a letter written by me explaining how the profession works incase they don’t know? How there are tons of jobs to choose from, anywhere in the country? Does that type of thing help??

Post: Can’t find lender despite 4K gross/wk???

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Quote from @David Skow:
Quote from @Eric Boughner:

I was interested in mainly FHA loans first time home buyer. Would this type of loan be more strict requiring the aforementioned requirements (2 year travel nurse or permanent staff)? I would think my years working as a nurse would help some, but man, its tough going!

@Eric Boughner- unfortunately most lenders will have an issue with this for the reason you mention…we do ….possible solution would be to have a non occupant coborrower on the loan that is strong enough to make qualifying work 

What if I were to be a co-applicant on a mortgage with my sister? Alone I believe she qualifies for a mortgage around 500k, but if I were to be a co-applicant, would that have any affect on making the loan amount increase a bit more?

Post: Can’t find lender despite 4K gross/wk???

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I was interested in mainly FHA loans first time home buyer. Would this type of loan be more strict requiring the aforementioned requirements (2 year travel nurse or permanent staff)? I would think my years working as a nurse would help some, but man, its tough going!

Post: Travel Nurse Specific Questions

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bro, how are you haole and living in Kona???!

Post: Income verification for travel nurse

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What state are you in? I can tell you what they will be getting for their housing, m&i per day.. all of which is tax free. Oh, they will be able to afford your room alright. Don’t you worry about that.

Post: Income verification for travel nurse

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There was a post on Reddit about almost this exact same topic. I’m a traveler nurse so I kinda see both sides. The nurse there was questioning if he/she should show the landlord their 13 week contract. Me being new to travel nursing said sure, why not? I got nothing to hide and like to be fully transparent. Well, the other nurses chimed in and said definitely not. This is because once they see how much the nurse makes, then they may increase the rate of the rental. Not sure how much truth there is to this, but that’s the advice other nurses give to other travel nurses over on Reddit.