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All Forum Posts by: Eric Anderson

Eric Anderson has started 3 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Thank you everyone for your responses, I think the best answer at this time is to ask the current owners if I can sublet the property (full disclosure) until my occupancy of one year is up at my duplex I purchased in January then do a conventional loan for the property.  I've studied and studied on subject-to, thought I had a good idea of how to execute the transaction but I have learned today I don't have the knowledge at this time to finish in a timely manner.  If I want to keep the property available for me to purchase, that's the only solution I've come up with.  If you have any pointers, I'd appreciate them. Thank you all again for your ideas and helping clarify some issues I have!

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

@Account Closed, wow, you are a wealth of information, thank you for taking the time to reply and help! You are 100% correct, I do not know what I am doing. I have put many hours in to educating myself on real estate over the past year and on ways to purchase this property. Thank you for clarification on receiving title and recording title. I think I am going to keep looking for an attorney who has more experience in these types of transactions. You've brought up other good points I hadn't considered as well. Long story short, I purchased a duplex with a FHA loan in January but love the house I was previously staying in and want to move back to it after occupying my duplex for 1 year. Another option I have thought of is having the lease re-written allowing me to sublet the property for a year and an option to buy at the end of the lease. It seems like something like that would be safer for everyone involved. What are your thoughts on that? Your writeup was very informative, thank you for sharing it with me!

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

John, thank you for taking time to reply, I like your idea on the trust, I had not thought of that!  I think I'm going to change attorneys and mention this idea to them.  Thank you again for your input!

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Thank you for the Reply Clayton, I am not looking to assume a mortgage, I am looking to keep the mortgage in the current owners name and take ownership of the property with a written contract and record with my county that I am the legal owner (I hope this portion answers your last line). My understanding is that the seller will sell the property to me subject-to an existing mortgage, title can be recorded with my county that I am the legal owner. The downfall to this is the risk of the lender may find out they sold the property and call the note due. So, is there a difference between assuming a mortgage (such as a FHA) and subject-to?

Post: Subject-to property purchase

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Hello all! 

It's a long read and I appreciate your feedback.

I'm looking at doing a subject-to transaction, me, as the buyer.  I've got a verbal agreement for these terms: purchase property for $230,000, 0% down, 20 year amortization, record title, long term escrow and buyer pays all closing costs.  I've reached out to an attorney to write the contract.  My attorney is a younger guy and I don't think he has ever written a subject-to contract and doesn't understand the transaction process.  Although he is right on a few items, I think he is wrong on multiple.  First, he said I won't receive title, I did not ask to receive a title, I asked for recording of title.  Second, he talks about the lender changing their mailing address and me not being notified about that causing missed/late payments.  That would be covered under long term escrow.  In the contract I will have a due on sale clause that will require a signature outlining the risk for the seller.   The contract would also have a clause in there about the process for the foreclosure process (following state laws) if payments are missed.   

Here is his response in an email conversation:



So, as long as the mortgage is on the property, you won't be receiving the title, and if you aren't receiving the title you'll basically be renting to own. The problem with this is if you miss a payment, statute supports evicting you within 3 days (as if you were just an ordinary tenant). Taking subject to their mortgage is very high risk.
Since you are currently living there and plan to continue, another risk is that because you won't be receiving title, the property is technically not owner occupied, and that is something that potentially risks the mortgage being called.
There's also a risk that the lender could change their payment address but only sends notice to the legal owner and not you. In that case the mortgage could be called, you'd be in breach of contract, you could lose the property, the sellers could lose it in foreclosure, and then everyone loses out.
This deal isn't actually seller financed, it's an assumption of mortgage, and because of that we recommend getting financing to clear the mortgage first otherwise you risk some of the things happening that I mentioned above.
That being said, if you'd still like to move forward, we are going to need a complete copy of their entire mortgage loan agreement and review thoroughly to make sure we are drafting around those risks.
Let me know your thoughts and if you have any questions or concerns.


Thank you again, I your input is much appreciated!

Eric 


Post: House hack duplex with older tenant

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

That makes sense Nathan, I have promised something I didn't necessarily want to.  Luckily its a minor problem that can be addressed in 6 months or a year.  I have learned something here from everyone who answered.  Thank you for your input!

Post: House hack duplex with older tenant

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

That's great advice Theresa.  Thank you for the help, keep up the great work!  - Eric

Post: House hack duplex with older tenant

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Theresa, thank you for your input!  Olivia had a great idea to give him 6 months, I may however warn him in a year I will be terminating his lease giving him ample time to find a new home.  The rent he will be paying is $1800, renovated market value is between $2400 and $2500.  Rehab cost for the unit would be between $10,000 and $15,000.  I have done construction as a previous career so that helps me keep cost down.  I had to explain to the tenant who was using the cost of renovation as a reason to keep him in the unit that the longer I wait to renovate the more it will cost and I will lose out on approximately $600 a month in rent fees.   Thank you again Theresa!

Post: Newbie in North Idaho

Eric AndersonPosted
  • Rathdrum, ID
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 4

Hi Jessica, I'm new as well, just buying my first rental, I'm in Rathdrum.  If there's anything I can do to help, just ask!