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All Forum Posts by: Emmanuel N Okafor

Emmanuel N Okafor has started 6 posts and replied 32 times.

Perhaps I am...but not intentionally. My criteria is to buy the best deal I can find with $900K-$1million as down payment. This particular apartment happens to have 61 units but I have looked at others with 49 and 20. I am mostly interested in NOI and opportunities for value adds. I currently manage my 11 units while working full time. I intend to use a management company for the apartment which is why I am not fixated on the # of units.

I have looked at smaller deals and the problem I have encountered is the NOI is just not there. When I have combined multiple such deals, they often don't perform as well as my single family houses.

@Steve K. based on data from the T12 I am comfortable at a $3.5million offer. I want to look at it to add context to the numbers I have been working with. However the broker wouldn't give me a tour unless my bid is around $4.5million. So do I just walk away or say I can do $4.5million if the property is in good enough condition to command that price.

@John Warren

Thanks for the post, it is very helpful. I listen to a lot of Bigger Pockets podcast on multifamily. I was trying to go for the sub meter play but the broker isn't really being helpful. He did tell me that my bid was too low that it needs to be around $4.5 million to be taken seriously enough to get a tour of the apartment. The building is not sub metered. So should I just give him the number he is looking for so I can get an opportunity to see what type of value add opportunities are present? How do you evaluate the feasibility of sub metering, do you bring experts with you to look at it before you make an offer?

One of my concerns is deferred maintenance which is why I want a tour of the apartment. In the T12 I looked at, $138,000 was spent on non-recurring replacements. I noticed that plumbing was 23% of that cost and 26% of recurring maintenance. I own 3 townhouses that were built in 1973 and they have corroded cast iron pipes that caused frequent plumbing issues. I had the cast iron pipes replaced with PVC pipes but it wasn't a cheap thing to do. I am the only investor in the area that did that. My tenants don't ever call plumbers but I see plumbing vans at other units whenever I stop by the townhome complex.

What do you mean by you look at the business plan? Are you saying you come up with a business plan to increase the NOI? How do you go about estimating costs of repairs? Is that mostly from experience or do you have contractors tour the apartment with you and then they submit quotes for repairs?

I understand that I need to give a realistic offer for the seller but what if their asking price is too high? Besides the value based on cap rate and NOI being only $3million, the cash on cash return is terrible. If I calculate based on their asking price, it comes out to 2% ($175,646 - $148,019)/$1.3million=2%. I am aware that a well executed value add and strategies to improve efficiency will change the numbers but should you be the person enjoying that instead of giving a lot of it away at the front end. How do you navigate negotiating on potential efficiencies vs actual value?

Quote from @John Brodeur:

@Emmanuel N Okafor, First I want to say congratulations on building a tremendous portfolio and significant cash flow in single family rentals! You are clearly doing a ton of great things already and I aspire to grow my portfolio and cash flow to be in a position that you are some day.

I don't have the level of experience that other's on the forum have in multi-families, so take what I say with a grain of salt, and of course due your own due diligence. I am however under contract with a partner on a 11 unit value-add opportunity myself so I am sharing how we have approached some of the analysis. 

Are you purchasing this property based on the T12 as a stabilized property or based on the value add opportunity? If you looking to buy the property for the value add opportunity I think the best way to analyze the deal is to look not at what cap rate you are buying it for now, but what the value should be post rehab/ or repositioning.

As I have read and gleamed from others the reason why cap rates for value add opportunities are lower than stabilized opportunities is because investors are willing to pay more up front, because based on the value add they are actually getting a better return post the value add being completed. 

The price that you are willing to pay should be commensurate with how much value add there is, and what the risks are pertaining to the execution of that value add. You mention being able to cut expenses to 50%, sub-meter units, potentially raise rents. I think understanding the feasibility, cost, timeline, and business plan, as well as exit strategy will help lead you to what price you are willing to pay for the value add. 

An example: Let's say you've analyzed the T12 and you are highly confident that reducing expenses is able to be done (let's say because you already have quotes from your vendors (PM, landscaping, cleaning crews etc) that will get you where you need to be easily and quickly. As you would be able to add $1M to the value of the property with little work you might be willing to pay up on the purchase price for the ability to gain some of that higher valuation. The more you pay up for the property of course the less of that higher valuation you get to keep. Maybe one investor is willing to pay $500K more for the ability to easily add $1M, but another is only willing to pay $200k, and still another is willing to pay $800k. It will come down to what is your strategy, and how confident are you in being able to execute against that strategy to hit the value add.

All this being said, you of course want to also look at your exit CAP rate, and in a rising interest rate environment it's entirely possible that CAP rates will expand again so if you are paying up for the ability to execute value add I would also stress test the post value-add valuation with an expansion of CAP rates to ensure that your value-add opportunity isn't eaten up by a decrease in overall valuations.


Thanks for the insight. The big problem I have is I haven't put together a team yet for multifamily. The property is not being sold as a value add investment. It currently has close to 100% occupancy. I see the value add opportunity to reduce cost but I don't know how much it will cost to execute so I don't know if it's a doable opportunity. I can certainly try to run the apartment more efficiently but all those are what ifs. The reality is that the apartment is old, 1970s so I will end up spending more money in maintenance. I only used the cap rate to figure out it's actual value. I am a cash flow guy from my experience in single family properties. When I do the cash on cash return calculation it's 2% if I pay the asking price and 3% if I pay $3.5million. I think the asking price is unreasonable. Perhaps I am being too careful as a newbie in multifamily, I don't know. The max I am willing to pay for this property is $3.5million. 

@Myles Johnson

I don't have any expectations. My offer was based on the actual value of the property based on the Net operating income they provided in the T12 and the current cap rate for value-add multifamily properties in the DFW area. In my analysis, there is a lot of risks and work to be done and I am unwilling to pay them for values they have not added to the property.

What I am hoping to gain from here is an acceptable amount I can come up in my offer without assuming too much of the risk. 

@Carlton B.

Thanks for suggesting a deal analyzer. I have never used one before but will look into it. 

@Comelia Hinkley

Thanks, I will drive the area this coming weekend to get a better feel for it. The 2bedrm 1.5bathrm is a townhouse style two levels so there may be room to raise rent a little bit. 

@Charles Seaman

"Cap Rates in DFW for C Class deals is closer to5%. 6% Cap Rate Stabilized but 5%-5.25% going in cap rate"

The quoted text was lifted from his email to me. 

@Lucia Rushton

I would like to use a property management company at first while I evaluate the practicality of managing it myself. I currently self-manage 11 single family rental portfolio. Yes, it's a C class asset. The broker doesn't want to give me a tour until my offer is close enough to $5.2 million. I hope he will change his mind...