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All Forum Posts by: Nick Miller

Nick Miller has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: My experience buying a turnkey cash flowing (kinda) turnkey rental outside Huntsville

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Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Michael S.:

@Elan Adler - great post.  I like that you pointed out all the positives and negatives for a fair balanced post that will help other investors evaluate future options.

I have been posting for a while on how hard the North Alabama market has become, and this post shows a good example of it. We bought only one residential property in North Alabama for a flip in 2024 - that's it. It's been so bad here, that I bought an STR in Indiana with another business partner in 2024 because there are minimal opportunities here - unless you have the ability and budget to extensively source off market properties here.

A few comments from my perspective (and after reading @Dan H. comments):

I agree with Dan, and view this as a negative cash flow property as well, given that more than 20% down was necessary to make it work with what I suspect is a non-commercial 30 year note given the interest rate.  Essentially it was necessary to "buy" cash flow with a higher down payment.  But that's typical with new builds here.

I think Elan was smart to list at 1800/month, but I do not agree it was under market - the fact that his rented quickly and there are others sitting for more than 100+ days tells you that 1800/month is exactly market value.

"Low insurance" is concerning to me, as Athens gets a LOT of high wind / weather / tornado activity for unknown reasons - they just got hit again last weekend.  I would caution on having a high deductible / inadequate coverage policy with a property in Athens.

Dan, a comment you made that I don't concur with is the cap ex on a new build of 300/month, unless it was a low quality builder (I have no idea who the builder on this property is).  We bought a new build years ago (and sold it 3 years later when the market turned up) and our TOTAL cap ex was $550 over the 3 years.  The house had a warranty the first year that covered anything that came up, and we only had one issue with HVAC over those 3 years.  So my limited experience with a new build did not yield cap ex expenses with what you are proposing.  Maybe we got lucky in that department, or maybe it was just a quality built property.

Happy New Year and best of luck in 2025.


 >Dan, a comment you made that I don't concur with is the cap ex on a new build of 300/month, unless it was a low quality builder (I have no idea who the builder on this property is). We bought a new build years ago (and sold it 3 years later when the market turned up) and our TOTAL cap ex was $550 over the 3 years

Question: have you ever filled out a spreadsheet of cost and lifespan of each product of a property?  I will predict you have not.  At 3 years none of the costly items have hit their end of life.  Ideally you have not replaced roof, hvac, flooring, kitchen, bathroom, fencing, windows, foundation repairs, hard scape repairs, electrical, plumbing, etc.  everything has a lifespan and if you do not evenly allocate for those expenditures, you have not allocated for all expenses.  I will tell you that the $300 i used in the above is far less than i allocate in my market.   I took into account a likely cheaper labor rate but will say when we owned units in gulf shores that i was not encountering that low of a labor rate.  A underwriting that i recently completed on an offer we made i used $600/month maintenance/cap ex and believe it to be as accurate an allocation as i could predict (4/3/1, 3100’, class a finishes).

I use $300/month in my market on an attached 2/1/0, ~700’.  Again i believe it is my best estimate of actual sustained maintenance/cap ex in my market.

I did an estimate about 1,5 years ago on a emerald coast 3/2 condo with class a interior finishes and came up with $300 for just the interior (class a finishes cost more).  This spreadsheet was reviewed by our RE agent and his input was used on costs in that market.  So multiple eyes and local expert providing local cost and input on lifespan.

Here is an example that has a part that is more expensive in my market than other markets (unlike most parts that are the same everywhere, so in this case your cost should be significantly less due to both cheaper part and cheaper labor): $1600 40 gal water heater installed (this is good price for a plumber, a little high for a handyman) with expected life of 12 years (i have some that go 20 years and some that die in less that 10 years (mostly rheem die in less than 10 years), 12 years is fair life expectation.  $1600/12 years/12 months/year is $11.12/month.   Make a spreadsheet of items and life span and see what you calculate.  Also class of tenant plays a role.  In class c if rug is over 5 years old it probably needs replacing.  Same carpet in b+ area will get 10 years plus.

i stand by my sustaining maintenance/cap ex estimate and hope my response indicates why.  I invite you to perform the exercise and find what your cap ex allocation should be.

certainly $50/month for maintenance/cap ex and misc is not enough and this property is definitely cash negative when properly allocating for expenses.  

By the way the recent underwriting that i referenced above showed the purchase would be cash negative first year and sustaining for extended duration, but i still made a competitive offer. I have never done that before.   I am finding the market challenging especially as it relates to cash flow.  I do not do flips, so I am finding the market is more challenging than any time since 2008.

 Good luck

 @Dan H. that spreadsheet sounds rather awesome. How might one go about acquiring or recreating said sheet? 

Post: RCV Insurance Policy - what's a reasonable rate per sqf in 2024 (Alabama)?

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@Luke Ostergaard thanks so much, very helpful!

Did you separate the land value from the $244k RCV? 

Post: RCV Insurance Policy - what's a reasonable rate per sqf in 2024 (Alabama)?

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Thanks Luke! Very helpful! 

Post: RCV Insurance Policy - what's a reasonable rate per sqf in 2024 (Alabama)?

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Adding to this - any insurance agents here who can take the time to walk me through options rather than just send me a quote then harass me to sign pls message me :) 

Post: RCV Insurance Policy - what's a reasonable rate per sqf in 2024 (Alabama)?

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I just finished updating a rental property where I was previously paying $990 for an annual ACV policy. 

The house has now been appraised at $265,000 market value. 1908 sqft. 

I received a quote for $3492 annual policy for RCV of $270,000 which also includes liability up to $2,000,000 (see list of liability covered). This would be $291 per month. 

I have no prior claims and the house has new flooring, new roof, new everything. Smoke and carbon monoxoide detectors & fire extinguisher. 

Have I been over-quoted? 

Can anyone share the range they're currently paying in 2024 for RCV policies? 

Post: My first deal in Hunstville, AL - Recommendations

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Hello Team,

After 6 months of analysis and back and forth, I had good success in Ocala, FL an KC-MO, but I have my first deal closed in Huntsville(more later on deals analysis). Still not getting any luck with Chattanooga which is another market I am closely trying. 

I would like to know, if you have good success with Property Management teams in Huntsville market as my property in in C area(35810) and like to get a very good team who can find good tenants and handle the property well.

Also, if you had general contractors who you had success with as well, as I am looking to do new flooring to this home. 

Please DM or PM me me. Thanks, Happy long weekend!

 @Murali Jesudoss how is your property doing in 35810? 

I’m looking at this area for potential investment. 

Post: Fence Replacement and Painting

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Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

There are a lot of unknowns here. How nice is the trailer? How nice is the neighborhood? Will the fence repair last 3-5 years? Is the fence so bad that it would prevent people from renting the trailer unless it's scraped/painted?

You should have assessed the cost prior to purchase and used that as a negotiating tactic or been prepared to handle repairs after purchasing. I would assess the market, the neighborhood, and the individual property and make a decision about what is appropriate and necessary.

Sorry I can't answer better without seeing it.

Thanks Nathan. The property is a 3/2 house on a corner lot, not a trailer. The fence had been intact since the house was built in the early 80s, besides the peeling paint there was no damage. Mobile was hit by some heavy storms last year which ripped a section of the privacy fence down. 

I have wind insurance (required by lender) but the deductible is $3500 and wouldn’t cover painting of the fence. 

Having the fence painted would improve curb appeal but as it was already peeling it didn’t prevent a tenant moving in.

Recent sales in the street range from $60k to $469k, the location is close to downtown if that helps at all with an idea of the area. 

The replacement estimate seemed steep to me, and I did explain that it’s a rental and I’m looking for a long term, functional and cost effective solution over aesthetics. 

I guess I’m looking for any options I might be missing, such as pre painted fencing or as Will mentioned if replacement might be possible for less than the $5150 and $9600 I’ve been quoted so far. 



Post: Fence Replacement and Painting

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Originally posted by @Will Fraser:

That's a tough sell, @Nick Miller!  I loathe spending money on fences, and usually I'm looking at under $3k for replacement.  Double and triple that and I get the heebie-jeebies.

At the end of the day it all comes down to safety, function, and returns.  If the improvement doesn't optimize or ensure of of these, I wouldn't do it.  

If you went with the $1,350 for repairs and did not have the rest of the fence scraped or replaced, would you be creating a dangerous or non-functional situation?

 Thanks for the advice Will, the fence would be sound for the $1350 repairs. It did look nice painted, but would still be functional and safe. 

Post: Fence Replacement and Painting

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Hi BP. I have a 3/2 rental in Mobile, AL rented for $855/month and am looking for options for getting the fence repaired or possibly replaced after storm damage. 

Existing fence is white picket at the front, and 4’ privacy at the bsck which is also painted white but the paint is peeling. The entire perimeter of the property is 280 yards, and one section of the privacy fence  is damaged. 

The estimate I have from my property manager is $1350 for repairs, and $3800 for scraping the old paint off the damaged sections and repainting. 

Replacement estimate I’ve received is $9600, unpainted.

I am $80,000 into this property including a new HVAC and $15k in rent ready repairs. 

Spending $5150 on the fence seems excessive. My plan at the moment is to get the repairs done only, then look for other options for painting. Also considering having the privacy fence scraped and not repainting. 

How much would you spend on repairing a fence on an $80k property rented for $855?  What’s the most you’d want to pay to replace a fence if it came to that?