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All Forum Posts by: Elliot Tan

Elliot Tan has started 8 posts and replied 34 times.

Post: Rules for receiving funds for private money loans

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Originally posted by @Adam Schneider:

@Elliot Tan Pro Tip: Provide the state that you are in to help with advice. Some are title and some are attorney closing. The challenge with the multiple lenders to navigate is who is in what lien position. An answer to one of your questions is that the money from the private lender flows through the escrow company (title company or closing attorney) and then to you. 

 Got it. Thanks Adam for clearing up some of the murkiness in why what we had planned to do would have been such a big problem! We'll be sure to reach out to a title company to help us with the process. 

I had posted in the Dallas forums, so thought only people I'm the Dallas market would be seeing it. But next time I'll be sure to include what state. 

Thanks again for your input!

Post: Rules for receiving funds for private money loans

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Originally posted by @Matt Buroni:

@Elliot Tan finding an attorney to answer these questions will probably be your best bet. It seems like you are more concerned with where the money goes and how it gets there when you obtain it. I cannot speak much to private money lending, but you've got the right long term goals in mind of a quick flip then conventional refinancing out of the hard money loan to minimize risk in the long term. The shorter amount of time you spend with those high interest rates the better! 

Try to network and build a team around you (contractor, attorney, maybe a RE agent, etc.)

 Thanks @Matt Buroni!  Appreciate the advice.  Looks like there's a theme here......I need to start finding a RE attorney!

Post: Rules for receiving funds for private money loans

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Originally posted by @Emily Ford:

I'm sharing based on my experience....you're welcome to contact me if you like to discuss further.

1. What's the difference between syndication and private money borrowing? I can't seem to find a straight answer comparing the two. From all the podcasts and articles/books I've read, I get the feeling there is a difference. Just not sure WHAT the differences are, and WHY I need to differentiate between the two.  I'm a passive investor in some apartment syndications - meaning I gave lead investors $50-100k to purchase apartment complexes. I do not have any rights to the property as a passive investor.  On the other hand, I have borrowed money from individuals to purchase houses for flips/rentals.  I have only done one lender per deal for reasons to be discussed in question 3. 

2. Can I simply receive funds from a private money lender transferred directly into our business bank account? What is the typical route we would take when it is time to receive the funds in order to purchase our deals?  Consult with a RE attorney, but the basic answer is NO.  I utilize a title company for all of my deals. As such the title company sends wiring instructions to my lender and they take the funds and pay the seller on the day of closing. 

3. We plan on using a promissory note from here: https://eforms.com/promissory-... . Is this good enough, or do we need something more? What other documents would we need in order to protect our lenders and ourselves?  Consult a real estate attorney. I get the title company to generate the promissory note and deed of trust for the lender. One lender so that the lender has first lien position in the event that I was to default. He/she can foreclose on me and take over the property. 

4. Here is an example scenario: we find a property for $100,000 that we intend to flip. Rehab will be $20,000. We cannot find 1 individual to loan us $120K. But we are able to find 6 friends/family to loan us $20,000 each. Is it legal to create a promissory note with each individual, then pool all that money to fund our flip? If it is legal........how do we then get that money to the seller, closing attorney, agent, contractors, etc...in order to successfully complete the flip? I have not done this so I'll pass on commenting.

Thanks for the response @Emily Ford!  You definitely cleared up somethings for me. Would you mind sharing with me your RE attorney, and title company?  We are still in the process of making these relationships.  Again, appreciate your help in answering my questions in this matter.

Post: Rules for receiving funds for private money loans

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Originally posted by @Rick Pozos:

Hey @Elliot Tan you need to seek legal advice. Your thoughts are about to get you into some legal trouble. From what you just mentioned about syndication, borrowing, cash into bank accounts, combining investor funds, etc. it is pretty evident that you dont need some advice here, you need more education and some legal advice. 

Oh man.  That is good to know! We are definitely trying to not get in trouble!  I appreciate you warning us of the trouble we could get into! Would you have anyone that you would recommend we talk to that could help us sort all this out Rick?

Post: Rules for receiving funds for private money loans

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Hi everybody! 

My partners and I are starting a REI company. We will be flipping and purchasing rental units. Goal is to slowly scale into medium-sized multi-family apartments. Our strategy for funding is to find private money lenders to fund our flips and rental units, then cash-out refinance the rental units in order to pay back our private money lenders (BRRRR). We are starting out with our immediate circle (ie friends and family). Then as we get better at the REI game, we will look to expand our network of PM lenders as we do bigger and bigger deals.

I have several questions in regards to the rules and regulations of receiving funds for a private money loan.  I haven't been able to find any concrete answers to several of my questions.  So I've come to you all for help!

1. What's the difference between syndication and private money borrowing?  I can't seem to find a straight answer comparing the two.  From all the podcasts and articles/books I've read, I get the feeling there is a difference.  Just not sure WHAT the differences are, and WHY I need to differentiate between the two.

2. Can I simply receive funds from a private money lender transferred directly into our business bank account? What is the typical route we would take when it is time to receive the funds in order to purchase our deals?

3. We plan on using a promissory note from here: https://eforms.com/promissory-... . Is this good enough, or do we need something more? What other documents would we need in order to protect our lenders and ourselves?

4. Here is an example scenario: we find a property for $100,000 that we intend to flip.  Rehab will be $20,000.  We cannot find 1 individual to loan us $120K.  But we are able to find 6 friends/family to loan us $20,000 each.  Is it legal to create a promissory note with each individual, then pool all that money to fund our flip?  If it is legal........how do we then get that money to the seller, closing attorney, agent, contractors, etc...in order to successfully complete the flip?

I understand the CONCEPT of private money lending.  But the MECHANICS of it all is where I'm coming up short in understanding.  Thanks so much for taking the time to read my questions!  My partners and I will appreciate any and all advice given in regards to private money lending! Take care.

Post: Banking options for new investors starting a REI company

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Thanks @Cindy Carriger!  Unfortunately I was not able to make it to the live session.  Hopefully I can watch it soon though.  I'll be sure to watch out for future opportunities to join a meeting.  Thanks again for you help!

Post: Banking options for new investors starting a REI company

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Originally posted by @Cindy Carriger:

Your welcome.  This forum wasn't around when I started with investing (back in late 2003)...but, there was a similar one in Dallas area that i asked questions from and experienced investors were willing to help with their advice too, which helped a lot in many cases! 

Also, networking in person was another big help.  That's why Robin (husband) and I kept up the small lunch bunch group we were a part of when the primary person who created the group (which was the basis for the group we have now) decided to focus more on retirement...he moved from rentals into Owner Fi Notes which his son serviced for him until his passing. 

Over time, we grew the lunch bunch into more of an 'official club/group' and today I would say thousands (and thousands!) of people have attended and or become members since we took over back in about 2006. 

Because we focus most of our time on managing our real estate holdings and acquisitions our networking group is still a modestly attended weekly gathering.  However, with a manageable size of attendees weekly, we can be up close and personal with everyone who wants to chat with us personally, (which is the way I like it!!).

If you are ever in the area, please come by and say Hi!  Look forward to that possibility!
Keep up the progress - you'll get there!


 Thanks Cindy! I'll be sure to check you guys out when we move to Dallas. But since you're club offers online meet up capabilities I'm sure I'll "be there" at a meeting sometime soon. Thanks again for sharing

Post: Banking options for new investors starting a REI company

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Originally posted by @Andrew Syrios:
Originally posted by @Elliot Tan:

Thank you @Andrew Syrios @Cindy Carriger!  That was great advice and advice that I will be putting into action! Appreciate you taking the time to help out a newbie!

It seems though that I did not phrase my specific question well enough though (thankful I did because I got great input for other questions I did have!). I originally came to the forums to ask where we should store the money we make from our company and what type of bank accounts are best for getting started. When we are purchasing properties, we want the money to flow through a bank account correct? Sellers usually don't expect duffle bags of cash right 😊? And then when we make a profit, we'd like to store those profits somewhere. As well as paying off our loans when we are able to get financing through our LLC.

My partners and I are looking to set up a business bank account, and we were simply looking for advice on what type of banks to look for as we search for what's best for our company.  

 Sure thing Elliott. I would also ask in the local forum here on BiggerPockets. Another local investor might know some good banks to contact. (Investors are shy about sharing contractors because they're using them but are happy to share banks because they will actually benefit as banks love their clients who refer them more business.)

 Good to know! I'll ask again here for bank references. Thanks Andrew!

Post: Banking options for new investors starting a REI company

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Thank you @Andrew Syrios @Cindy Carriger!  That was great advice and advice that I will be putting into action! Appreciate you taking the time to help out a newbie!

It seems though that I did not phrase my specific question well enough though (thankful I did because I got great input for other questions I did have!). I originally came to the forums to ask where we should store the money we make from our company and what type of bank accounts are best for getting started. When we are purchasing properties, we want the money to flow through a bank account correct? Sellers usually don't expect duffle bags of cash right 😊? And then when we make a profit, we'd like to store those profits somewhere. As well as paying off our loans when we are able to get financing through our LLC.

My partners and I are looking to set up a business bank account, and we were simply looking for advice on what type of banks to look for as we search for what's best for our company.  

Post: Banking options for new investors starting a REI company

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Hi everybody! My partners and I are starting a RE investing company in the DFW area. We will be doing flips and buy and hold investing, with plans to scale to mid-size apartment complexes. We're in the baby stages of this and haven't come across much information concerning what type of bank account to open for our company!

We will create an LLC this year, and were wondering what type of bank account to open for this company? Would a typical small business account suffice? Is a big bank or smaller bank better for what we are trying to do? Any recommendations for banks in the DFW area that service small businesses like what we are going to start?

Would LOVE to hear about anyone's experience in starting an LLC with partners and what you all did well, and not so well, in the beginning! And any tips and advice in regards to banking would be much appreciated! Thanks to those who take the time to read this post!