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All Forum Posts by: Elaine Goepfert

Elaine Goepfert has started 1 posts and replied 13 times.

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Congrats on getting them to accept deed in liu will save your credit! Another option I thought of was pulling from your retirement funds if that can make up the LTV. You are in a solid market that should appreciate over the long term.


 A DIL does not save your credit. It shows as an amount settled for less than full amount due. While its not as bad as a foreclosure, it's bad.


Kiavi might not report to fico ?  

 True...if they don't report to the bureaus. No credit to damage...or to save.


 Is there a way to find out?  Are you saying if they don't report to credit bureaus you might as well go through foreclosure?  I thought the entire point of a deed in lieu is to save your credit?  Now I'm second guessing if this is the correct move.  They are mailing me the papers now, I'd love some guidance if anyone has any on what to do.

I explain a DIL vs. Foreclosure like this, in either event, you are losing a limb (proverbially speaking of course), its just that with a DIL, its a below the knee amputation versus an above the knee amputation as it relates to the hit to your credit. If its not being reported to the bureaus then the only thing you have to concern yourself with is (As Jay points out) any potential deficiency you may be on the hook for. the actual physical processing of a DIL is very similar to a foreclosure in that there is title work, recording of documents, etc. There just isn't a lawsuit or publication of events.

I don't know what state you are in but some states require the bureaus to give consumers a free credit report once a year. Even if it wasn't free, you could go to Transunion.com, Experian.com, Equifax.com etc. and order your report to see what's being reported. Again, if its not being reported that's great for your credit but cover yourself for any balance that may be owed by ensuring its not in the documents for the DIL.

we bought a 3.4 build mansion from an NBA star that had fell on hard times.. we had 2 weeks to payoff wells fargo 1.7 mil and this B Baller owed 3.5.  at first they wanted the deficiancy I went to bat for him and we got that waived.. and of course there was 7 judgements for 7 different moms for child support that had to come out of that 1.7 as well.. :) WE pulled it off and I was pretty proud of my negotiating skills against wells.. but it was running up on a quarter reporting end and I guess they just really needed that loan off the books.. WE did well with that house end of the day
Jay, if you could pull off something like that for me I'd be eternally grateful. 😉


I am not buying anything in SWFL there are going to be thousands of situations like yours.. its deja bu all over again for me and when i was buying foreclosures there in 09 
Haha, it was worth a shot. 
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Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

Congrats on getting them to accept deed in liu will save your credit! Another option I thought of was pulling from your retirement funds if that can make up the LTV. You are in a solid market that should appreciate over the long term.


 A DIL does not save your credit. It shows as an amount settled for less than full amount due. While its not as bad as a foreclosure, it's bad.


Kiavi might not report to fico ?  

 True...if they don't report to the bureaus. No credit to damage...or to save.


 Is there a way to find out?  Are you saying if they don't report to credit bureaus you might as well go through foreclosure?  I thought the entire point of a deed in lieu is to save your credit?  Now I'm second guessing if this is the correct move.  They are mailing me the papers now, I'd love some guidance if anyone has any on what to do.

I explain a DIL vs. Foreclosure like this, in either event, you are losing a limb (proverbially speaking of course), its just that with a DIL, its a below the knee amputation versus an above the knee amputation as it relates to the hit to your credit. If its not being reported to the bureaus then the only thing you have to concern yourself with is (As Jay points out) any potential deficiency you may be on the hook for. the actual physical processing of a DIL is very similar to a foreclosure in that there is title work, recording of documents, etc. There just isn't a lawsuit or publication of events.

I don't know what state you are in but some states require the bureaus to give consumers a free credit report once a year. Even if it wasn't free, you could go to Transunion.com, Experian.com, Equifax.com etc. and order your report to see what's being reported. Again, if its not being reported that's great for your credit but cover yourself for any balance that may be owed by ensuring its not in the documents for the DIL.

we bought a 3.4 build mansion from an NBA star that had fell on hard times.. we had 2 weeks to payoff wells fargo 1.7 mil and this B Baller owed 3.5.  at first they wanted the deficiancy I went to bat for him and we got that waived.. and of course there was 7 judgements for 7 different moms for child support that had to come out of that 1.7 as well.. :) WE pulled it off and I was pretty proud of my negotiating skills against wells.. but it was running up on a quarter reporting end and I guess they just really needed that loan off the books.. WE did well with that house end of the day
Jay, if you could pull off something like that for me I'd be eternally grateful. 😉

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Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

Congrats on getting them to accept deed in liu will save your credit! Another option I thought of was pulling from your retirement funds if that can make up the LTV. You are in a solid market that should appreciate over the long term.


 A DIL does not save your credit. It shows as an amount settled for less than full amount due. While its not as bad as a foreclosure, it's bad.


Kiavi might not report to fico ?  

 True...if they don't report to the bureaus. No credit to damage...or to save.


 Is there a way to find out?  Are you saying if they don't report to credit bureaus you might as well go through foreclosure?  I thought the entire point of a deed in lieu is to save your credit?  Now I'm second guessing if this is the correct move.  They are mailing me the papers now, I'd love some guidance if anyone has any on what to do.

I explain a DIL vs. Foreclosure like this, in either event, you are losing a limb (proverbially speaking of course), its just that with a DIL, its a below the knee amputation versus an above the knee amputation as it relates to the hit to your credit. If its not being reported to the bureaus then the only thing you have to concern yourself with is (As Jay points out) any potential deficiency you may be on the hook for. the actual physical processing of a DIL is very similar to a foreclosure in that there is title work, recording of documents, etc. There just isn't a lawsuit or publication of events.

I don't know what state you are in but some states require the bureaus to give consumers a free credit report once a year. Even if it wasn't free, you could go to Transunion.com, Experian.com, Equifax.com etc. and order your report to see what's being reported. Again, if its not being reported that's great for your credit but cover yourself for any balance that may be owed by ensuring its not in the documents for the DIL.

we bought a 3.4 build mansion from an NBA star that had fell on hard times.. we had 2 weeks to payoff wells fargo 1.7 mil and this B Baller owed 3.5.  at first they wanted the deficiancy I went to bat for him and we got that waived.. and of course there was 7 judgements for 7 different moms for child support that had to come out of that 1.7 as well.. :) WE pulled it off and I was pretty proud of my negotiating skills against wells.. but it was running up on a quarter reporting end and I guess they just really needed that loan off the books.. WE did well with that house end of the day

Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Ron S.:
Quote from @Henry Lazerow:

Congrats on getting them to accept deed in liu will save your credit! Another option I thought of was pulling from your retirement funds if that can make up the LTV. You are in a solid market that should appreciate over the long term.


 A DIL does not save your credit. It shows as an amount settled for less than full amount due. While its not as bad as a foreclosure, it's bad.


Kiavi might not report to fico ?  

 True...if they don't report to the bureaus. No credit to damage...or to save.


 Is there a way to find out?  Are you saying if they don't report to credit bureaus you might as well go through foreclosure?  I thought the entire point of a deed in lieu is to save your credit?  Now I'm second guessing if this is the correct move.  They are mailing me the papers now, I'd love some guidance if anyone has any on what to do.

Well, last night during dinner I officially got "served" foreclosure papers.  It was quite the slap to the face especially trying to explain to my kids who the person was at the front door (the carrier) and what all that meant.  That being said, they are aware of what's happening on this property as I try to share my mistakes & victories with my family.  I want them to see what it looks like to take a shot and they've got to see me speak on TV & stage, win awards & praise and they've seen me come home of stories of dead bats falling out of ceilings, cleaning up dog crap in dark basement corners, sucking out water from flooded basements for hours, bloodied, bruised, ect. ect. ect. and now be served with papers.  (Ah, the stories I can tell from working on homes but I digress...)

Most what I wanted to say is a big THANK YOU for all of you who took time out in your day to give me ideas/options.  A special thank you to those who did so without making me feel stupid and praising yourself for being so brilliant in the meantime but instead actually was humble, admitting your own mistakes and helping me learn from them.  I take it to heart and as I go forward, because I WILL go forward, I'll remember the kindness & humility in those responses and will try to mirror that.


Lastly an update: I'm actually working with the lender as we speak to do a deed in lieu, (foreclosure papers were already started I guess) something I've never heard of before NOT because I'm a novice but I AM new to having such a loss, this is a whole new ballgame that I am definitely learning from.  I would have never known this was an option had I not reached out to this community and I think it's saving me a foreclosure so I'm very grateful.

Ok, follow up question on doing comps yourself. If you are NOT a real estate agent and don't have access to the MLS how do you recommend going about this? Any sites or something else to go to or is it just better to get your own realtors license?

@James Hamling I'd like to know what your opinion is on how to get a "rock-solid" comp? I was sent comps from my realtor supporting the ARV and surpassing it. Then to support that I received a appraisal supporting that number. So, to recap, I trusted my realtor and the comps sent to me by him and the lender and the ARV appraisal given to me by them.


So outside of being a realtor myself, how would you have accomplished getting this "rock-solid" comp?  I'm here to learn.

Let me clear a couple of things up just because this post is half to get ideas of what to do next which I got a couple great ones, thank you!  But also, I'm being super vulnerable as this is quite painful but I'm also hoping that someone else might benefit from reading this and learn from my experience.  

1. @Joe S. I definitely never intended to take an entire year to refinance. My first strategy was to STR the property and refi but the STR rents were less than 1/2 of what was projected. As mentioned in an earlier post, that area fell by 40% in STR in the last year. Then I tried to sell it I believe at $550,000 but no takers there and this is when I learned the neighborhood I bought in wasn't ideal. I live in MN and fully trusted my original realtor when he said it was a great area and I bought right after the hurricane so every corner had garbage and debris waiting for city pick up, now a year removed, it's much clearer that my neighbors are not interested in cleaning up their properties as other areas are now. I would caution anyone buying remotely to have a local realtor who has been in the area for a long time to weigh in and not someone who just moved there themselves. That is definitely a lesson I am taking out of this. Lastly, I switched to a LTR & because Kiavi said that they only refi on LTRs but I needed to establish that and just like that poof, a whole year gone. Yes, definitely would do it different and just sell at a loss had I known.

2. I think it's worth maybe saying that the overarching goal for me was to STR/LTR and refi and eventually move down there after my kids are done with school so it was okay to me to have it not be a homerun as a business because I was kind of looking at it as a second home that made some money. Of course, now I know better with a hard money lender to do it this way.

3. @Nicholas L. Kiavi has a cash requirement.  Meaning that your rent values has to cover all your expenses plus a certain percentage.  I don't remember exactly what it was now but like @Don Konipol they are looking at it like a business and if the property doesn't perform as a "healthy business" then they are out on refinancing. I didn't realize this until I started the refinance process and was locked into a rent rate that didn't meet these requirements. And yes, they won't even consider STR properties.

4. I DID call several lenders and did lock in a refi deal.  It was the crap appraisal value that made everything fall apart.  No one is interested in refinancing a home that appraisal rate is lower than what you owe on it.  

5. @Drew Sygit what is a deed-in-lieu?  I don't think I've heard this one before.

5. I guess I just want everyone to know that I'm not new either. I did flip two other properties just this year in MN. This is my first property not in my state and first one I attempted to refinance into a STR/LTR. I just have never heard of anyone talking about this happening before in recent years. I was around for 2008 and was a general contractor back in those days too but I wasn't investing yet.

Again, thanks for all the responses!  I hope this feed might help others too. 

@Minna Reid thank you for that!  Great advice.  I'm reaching out to my real estate agent right now to see if she knows anything about it and if she doesn't I'll definitely reach out to you because you are 100% right, I know absolutely nothing about short sales or how any of that works.  

@Chris Seveney My Original Spread was this..

$395,000 + $70,000 (repairs) = $465,000 - $50,000 (down payment) = $415,000 + $10,000 (fees) = $425,000 Loan

$610,000 ARV - $425,000 = $185,000 (minus 3 months of holding costs & fees) so I was feeling pretty good about the purchase.

I also got these numbers from my realtor & ran them by a real estate investing group (a very expensive one) that I was a member of and got great feedback from almost everyone except one person thought the appraisal was inflated.  So I didn't go into light heartedly.  I did my due diligence, are at least I thought I did.  I also had a private investor on the deal (who I just paid off separately) and the numbers looked good to her as well.  It all SEEMED like a great plan.  Also, I have my general contractors license and make my living as a commercial senior construction project manager remodeling multi-family buildings and hotels nationally.  I've been in construction for 25 years so I know a thing or two about renovations.  

If I were to go back and do it again I would sell for much lower price just to offload it but I had no way to know that my appraisal would dip $165,000 (!) in ONE year.  Especially since I did extra work on the property including adding palm trees to the front and fenced in the backyard which SHOULD have made it sell for even higher or at least projected.  At least that's what I thought.

@Shane Dreffs I do hold is as a STR right now but rents are much lower than projected. Apparently this area has dipped 40% in STR rentals over the last year. I've looked into those STR lenders and because of this they won't touch it either.

@Stetson Miller I feel it's a bad combination of both a inflated appraisal at the top and maybe a low appraisal now.  However, according to my realtor it's crickets right now in the area and has been for a few months so maybe not too far off.  I did consider paying for another appraisal but after looking at several comps it appears it most likely would be a waste of time and money.  Bad luck I guess.

I really do appreciate everyone's responses and ideas, thank you all for your time and efforts trying to help me.