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All Forum Posts by: Edwin Epperson

Edwin Epperson has started 25 posts and replied 191 times.

Post: Getting started lending questions.

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Ian Hutton, it sounds to me like you actually have two scenarios going on here for requesting lending. Scenario A - you have a personal residence that has equity, approximately $100K. Scenario B - you are looking to purchase an investment property for up to $175K. As I understand it you're wanting to "free up" equity by getting a 2nd home loan or a HELOC, correct? If so that lender will most likely be an institutional lender, ie Bank or Credit Union. That equity loan (2nd position) will heavily be determined based on personal DTI, and credit score, tax returns for the past two years, and income verification. You will not find to many non-institutional lenders willing to place a 2nd on a primary residence. I also assume that without the freed up equity you would not have the cash to purchase the investment property listed in scenario B correct? If this is the cash, you may want to continue to store away capital for the acquisition of an investment property. I could go into more detail but honestly I would not have the time to type it all out LOL! If you interested happy to have a call and help you strategize your options. Best wishes and much success!

Post: What would the expert do with 100k?

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Andrea Diaz I'm a PL here in Tampa, FL so right down the street. I noticed in your response to Blake that you want to be a passive investor. Ask any Buy and Hold investor if it's truly passive and they will tell you no. Now you could go to one side where it is completely passive, you have a management team in place, and the property is already renovated and rented at max rates, but then your return would be closer to 6 - 7.% annual, not near the type of return Blake mentioned. You could invest in syndication, but then your capital is locked up for several years (2 - 5 yrs is typical) and that type of exposure to the market leaves a lot of uncertainty IMO. With $100K you would be hard-pressed to purchase a dilapidated property and cover the renovation costs. It's definitely not enough to purchase a performing asset here in FL 100% all cash. So more than likely you will need leverage if you're going to purchase a 1-4 unit SFR. Lining up a lender would be advised as one of your top priorities, IMHO. You will need to know how much they expect you to put down, as well as what type of DSCR ratios they will consider (Debt Service Coverage Ratio). Some are higher, others are lower. This will give you some parameters in determining what properties you should make offers on.

Of course a not so often spoke route is that you become the bank.  You become the lender.  This is something that we teach in our Turn-Key Private Lending solution for capital investors.  It's not for everyone, and it is specific for those looking to diversify their portfolio into cash-flowing assets (Notes) secured to real estate.  You in essence become the bank.  In either regard, there are plenty of professional and sophisticated investors here on BP that can help you navigate the journey ahead.  Best of wishes and much success.

Post: House Flipping and The 70% Rule

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@John Vitta I personally live and invest here in Tampa, FL, and I know what you mean. I would say most important than anything, is where are you sourcing your deals? If you are looking on the MLS well it's definitely NOT ripe with opportunity. However, if you are marketing directly to homeowners its a very real possibility and I see it all the time. As a caveat, if you're hoping to get a "deal" going through a wholesaler, just do your due diligence. Wholesalers in the market know how hot it is and are the ones really making a profit right now. Deals can be found, and as to your question, the 70% rule still applies especially when I'm lending out my own money.

Post: New Investor in NW Florida

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Steven Wachtel welcome to FL, and thank you for your service.  I was stationed at Eglin Airforce base, back in 2011- 2015.  I was with 7th SFG as a green beenie.  Love that part of FL, it's honestly one of the best-kept secrets.  Rentals are a GREAT way to expand your portfolio and even more so around military bases.  I helped a GB brother refinance a portfolio of rentals there in FWB at the beginning of the year.  I would love to have more business up in the panhandle so if you are so inclined to work with a fellow vet, would appreciate the opportunity!  Best wishes and much success!

Post: Looking to connect - Lakeland Florida

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@David Hill, I live North of Tampa, in Wesley Chapel, and I will tell you for your strategy, Lakeland is an absolute solid market to implement BRRRR. Happy to help in either the acquisition and renovation side or the 30yr fixed rate side, whenever you're ready for the refi. Best wishes and much success

Post: Where do you invest and why?

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Samantha Milford I won't comment on the market, as there has been plenty of insight given by previous posters. However, I would ask some capital stack strategic questions. Since your husband is in the Marine Corp. (Thank you for your's and his service) have you considered getting a VA Loan for a multiplex? If investing is your end goal, then that should be a strategic option for you. By purchasing a Quad or lower you can qualify with a VA loan, and rent out the other side(s) for cashflow. its a real possibility with a tri or quad plex your debt service costs could be covered 100%. This works to your benefit even if the market is at the top. Historically speaking even when the market corrects and property values come back down to earth, rents typically continue to increase due to the fact fewer and fewer people can afford to purchase. Where ever you look consider utilizing your husbands VA opportunity to get into a multi-unit. Best wishes and much success. If your husband enjoys a cigar, I'd be happy to recommend his a cigar lounge or two in the area.

Post: Private Fix & Flip Loan in Florida

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

Investment Info:

Single-family residence private money loan investment in Tampa.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $30,000
Sale price: $319,000

This was a unique loan opportunity I had the opportunity to fund. The RE Investor is an experienced and highly qualified investor. They used us for the purchase of this property in 2017 with a completion time of 6 months. Due to extenuating circumstances, the project took a little over 2 yrs. We stepped in with a 2nd position loan to help complete the project and the investor did not default. A LOT of lessons were learned all the way around, but a successful project nonetheless.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was a repeat client of mine. We had completed over 7 loans together in the span of two years. They had a solid construction team, systems and process set in place and documented. The Investor had plenty of cash in reserves and had a proven track record.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I first met the Investor from a FB post... or maybe it was in a local Meetup... I honestly don't remember. But we had lunch together, and I appreciated they dedication to details and processes. We did our first loan shortly thereafter in late 2016.

How did you finance this deal?

I originated and underwrote the loan, and had several partner investors who wanted to partner their capital with mine. I have a unique way of "fractionalizing the note" without actually fractionalizing. I made the loan, and then we closed on the deal. As is described in the summary the deal took a hard turn and the investor needed additional capital. I came in with a 2nd position (only because I controlled the 1st position, and we agreed to a profit split on this deal.

How did you add value to the deal?

Through my network of partner investors we were able to close quick (we were ready to close before title was even complete) and the Investor was open to hearing recommendations to would maximize profit. Communication is critical, and the Investor had open and transparent lines of communication with me throughout the whole process.

What was the outcome?

While the project took WAY longer than he or I had expected, he sold the property at a great profit, even with the holding costs, and the profit split due to the 2nd position.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

If your investing in an area that is prone to flooding or hurricanes then do your due diligence when it comes to FEMA. Having property well-vetted contractors and even an architect is paramount. Knowing your local municipality rules concerning flood zones and more importantly what is planned for the future is key, especially if the project goes long. There are many learned don this project and if you want a deep dive I'm happy to have a conversation about what went wrong and lesson's learned.

Post: Private Fix & Flip Loan in Florida

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

Investment Info:

Single-family residence private money loan investment in Tampa.

Purchase price: $155,000
Cash invested: $30,000
Sale price: $319,000

This was a unique loan opportunity I had the opportunity to fund. The RE Investor is an experienced and highly qualified investor. They used us for the purchase of this property in 2017 with a completion time of 6 months. However, Hurricane Irma came through and radically changed the flood zone requirements of this particular area. The delays in remapping the flood zones by FEMA, in combination with a business partner fallout, as well as having several GCs and architects incorrectly submit permits and plans for approval resulted in a VERY drawn-out project. We ended up coming in with a 2nd position loan as a JV, provided additional capital infusion, and allowed the RE Investor to finish the project without having to foreclose. This is the power behind relational lending and working with local private lenders, not national HML companies.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

This was a repeat client of mine. We had completed over 7 loans together in the span of two years. They had a solid construction team, systems and process set in place and documented. The Investor had plenty of cash in reserves and had a proven track record.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I first met the Investor from a FB post... or maybe it was in a local Meetup... I honestly don't remember. But we had lunch together, and I appreciated they dedication to details and processes. We did our first loan shortly thereafter in late 2016.

How did you finance this deal?

I originated and underwrote the loan, and had several partner investors who wanted to partner their capital with mine. I have a unique way of "fractionalizing the note" without actually fractionalizing. I made the loan, and then we closed on the deal. As is described in the summary the deal took a hard turn and the investor needed additional capital. I came in with a 2nd position (only because I controlled the 1st position, and we agreed to a profit split on this deal.

How did you add value to the deal?

Through my network of partner investors we were able to close quick (we were ready to close before title was even complete) and the Investor was open to hearing recommendations to would maximize profit. Communication is critical, and the Investor had open and transparent lines of communication with me throughout the whole process.

What was the outcome?

While the project took WAY longer than he or I had expected, he sold the property at a great profit, even with the holding costs, and the profit split due to the 2nd position.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

If your investing in an area that is prone to flooding or hurricanes then do your due diligence when it comes to FEMA. Having property well-vetted contractors and even an architect is paramount. Knowing your local municipality rules concerning flood zones and more importantly what is planned for the future is key, especially if the project goes long. There are many learned don this project and if you want a deep dive I'm happy to have a conversation about what went wrong and lesson's learned.

Post: BEST EAST COAST FLORIDA STR REGION

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Pearce Trenary COC is a great reason to approach any buy-and-hold strategy. There are some great DSCR loan products for buy and hold investors, and even some geared towards STR's. I personally broker out funds from investors who have programs for these types of deals, though I use mine and my capital partners' money for short-term, interest-only loans for Fix & Flip or Bridge loans. Happy to have a conversation with you if you would like. Best wishes and much success!

PS - I invest in FL so I know the FL market pretty well!

Post: Mortgage Note Investing

Edwin EppersonPosted
  • Lender
  • Tampa, FL
  • Posts 202
  • Votes 115

@Mike Colucci may I ask why you are interested in institutional notes?  

For clarity, when you say institutional, do you mean consumer?  Meaning you're interested in buying performing notes where the note is collateralized against a personal residence?  If so there are several considerations you may want to consider...

#1: Depending on the state there may be licensing requirements. There are actually three types of licenses required in the note investing space. A lender's license, a broker's or loan originator's license and a "bankers" or servicers license. Each state has requirements and they can vary significantly. In some states, you are required to have a broker's lic but not a lender or a servicer lic. In some states, you may need a license long as the asset is a SFR while if the asset is commercial no license is required. In other states you need a lic, but not if the borrower is an entity (LLC or Corp for example). Knowing the lic. law is important. For your requested investment type you should look at a "bankers" lic or servicing lic. If you are investing in FL, you can service up to 10 loans secured to personal residences without a lic, but the law is very vague if that's at one time or over your entire investment time.

#2: Institutional loans are what we in the industry refer to bank or credit union loans.  The problem with that is most banks/credit unions package their loans up and sell them on wall street as MBS or mortgage-backed securities.  You cannot individually pick loans to invest in, you have to invest in the MBS as a whole.

#3:  Especially in FL, should the performing note turn non-perfoming you would have to wait a VERY long time to foreclose and take the asset back, and that's if it's not contested.  If the Homeowner hires an attorney you could be looking at years of litigation, which could very well eat away all your equity or assumed equity in the asset

#4: Speaking of equity, if you somehow do manage to purchase an institutional loan the amount of equity would be negligible, probably less than 20% maybe as low as 3%.

You should also be aware of your intended goals behind investing in notes.  Is it cash-flow or is it with the hopes that your mortgagor will default and you will be able to get the property back at a discount and capture the equity?  If it's an equity play then please refer to the concerns above. If it's cash flow then you may seriously consider investing or "originating" investment loans. Originating or creating the loan, specifically an investor loan offers several risk mitigation capabilities that are simply not available in the owner-occupied space.  

#1: Originating investor loans, typically means you are lending to an investor, and savvy, experienced investors (like plenty found here on BP) buy properties and request loans for those properties using their LLC. In the eyes of the federal government and most states these types of loans are considered B2B or "commercial paper", and the rules are very relaxed. The assumption is you're a business making a loan to another business and therefore the owners are on the business owners to be sophisticated enough to determine the risk-to-reward of that obligation, your loan.

#2: In most states, there is no licensing requirement for making a loan to an entity, regardless of the asset type.  This is NOT universal so you will have to do your own research.

#3: The ability to control risk yet generate a great return are phenomenal in this space, as most loans are interest only and short term.  Meaning your capital is only exposed to the market for a very short period of time < 24 months, and the shorter the time the less risk you have to the housing market fluctuations.  I typically make loans in the <12 month range and I'm very confident in my underwriting.

As to your question about brokers and working through brokers, you will have to be aware, very much aware, of the broker you may decide to work with.  As @Chris Seveney pointed out a broker is NOT looking out for your best interest as the lender/ servicer.  They are only pushing the deal to close because they will get paid points when it closes.  If it doesn't close they get paid nothing.  As a newer note investor you have to have the ability to sift through the BS and make your own determination on whether the deal is a good deal or not, ask me how I know .... smh.

At the end of the day there is an incredible world open to those who are willing to take up the task of studying and becoming a note investor/ private lender.  Another option I recommend to any new note investor is to simply partner with an experienced lender and ask to participate in a fractional note.  This is the way that I lend.  Happy to have a conversation about some lessons learned and best practices if you would like.  best wishes and much success.