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All Forum Posts by: Dustin DuFault

Dustin DuFault has started 20 posts and replied 92 times.

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Wayne Brooks 

Thanks for your input; I did send that over.

I'm not popping any champagne bottles yet, but I am hopeful this will be resolved soon :D

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Account Closed

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Wayne Brooks 
I'll definitely keep you in the loop here. 

I much prefer to 'learn lessons' on BP than in real life! :-/

Hopefully I can get back to that soon.

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Account Closed 

Check the next paragraph after your Quote...

"In comparison, if the “right of redemption” at issue is held by a junior mortgagee, then the property does not need to be resold at judicial sale. Once again, the re-foreclosing plaintiff must first prove its right to foreclose the junior interest. Then, the court can enter an order requiring the junior mortgagee to exercise its “right of redemption” within a time certain or otherwise have their right, title, interest, estate or claim eliminated from the property through entry of a final judgment. "

I think I'd be foreclosing on their right of redemption (which in this case is to pay off lien holder 1, and take first position). Since that would require more than lien holder 2's balance I cannot see them doing this... but I'm just pretending to know what I'm doing though :D:D

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

Agreed - this is confusing, which is why it's taken me a while to understand it myself!!

Here is a quote from a paper on re-foreclosure that explains it...

"The right to re-foreclose an omitted party passes with the title to the property. Therefore, the purchaser at the original foreclosure sale, as well as their successors, have the right to re-foreclose any omitted junior interest holders."

Source

I will believe it when I see it... but this does sound promising too me :)

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

Okay, updates as promised...

The LOC at the time of the junior foreclosure complaint was close to maxed out. $69k before fees, expenses, etc. So no easy news there. I've also asked the title company to make a payoff demand to double check.

More interesting and promising was that my, admittedly amateur, legal research over the weekend seems to indicate that in Florida the law provides a widespread use of a legal doctrine called 're-foreclosure'. Basically allowing subordinate liens to be added in after the fact on the original foreclosure case in order to close them out. This may be my saving grace in getting this resolved.

As a point of interest - the senior foreclosure complaint referenced the junior lien in a way that makes it appear the intent was to close it out --- they just didn't serve themselves. So it's really seeming at this point that this was an oversight on their part. Not sure what the implications of this will be - but I'm hopeful that will mean they are easier to work with in resolving things. Maybe I can get an easy lien release.

So my plan is...

-Get the lien demand back, and confirm that their is still a balance.

and then after advice from council...

-Possibly contact the bank directly to seek lien release since the law appears to allow me to add their lien interest onto the original action anyway, thus saving time / money / etc.

-Possibly file a re-foreclosure action as mentioned above.

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Rick H. 

Thanks, I appreciate it. 

I will update on Monday with what I find!

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

@Account Closed 

Thanks for the encouragement, it is much appreciated.

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

Well, the sting in any rebuke is the truth, Rick.

I will say that I was missing the fact that I could uncover the loan detail in the complaint at the courthouse, not having reviewed those records before. 

That clearly is my next step. Thanks everyone for their input.

Post: Junior Lien Issue On My Foreclosure Purchase...

Dustin DuFaultPosted
  • Investor
  • Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 14

Missed that second bit you had there!!

Come on man I'm already having nightmares!! :P LOL