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All Forum Posts by: Eric Baum

Eric Baum has started 5 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: Help with different turnkey business models?

Eric Baum
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Hi All and @Eric T.

Unfortunately, the answer like many thing is usually is not black or white.  In the right circumstances both paths could be rewarding in their own way, and in the wrong circumstances both paths can be poor investments.  A lot of it is about the specific situation, the structure of the deal, what your goals are, how well or long you have worked with the operations, etc.  Essentially the whole discussion is about risk and who takes what portion of it.  If more of the risk is on you, you should expect to be compensated for taking it and similalry if someone else is taking more risk they will build that into their returns.  In a way, if done right risk allocation / apportioning should be close to a zero sum game .   However, real estate is full of predatory operators as well as good ones, surprises that will happen, and requires a lot of extensive thought and due diligence.  If you are more likely to skip that or are new to investing, then I would more often than not stick with the first path as there are more safety catches in the process like most have said.

With that said, there are situations where the second path can make a lot of sense too depending on what your goal is.  if I was going to be laying out the capital to do the rehab and take some the risk than I would expect there to be a compelling reason to do so. As @Charles Worth @Dawn Anastasi @Jay Hinrichs @James Wiseand others have mentioned this path is not truly turnkey and your participation is futher down stream. As such instead of paying a price in path A, for the same property I would expect to pay a lower price in path B (e.g. have a greater degree of potential equity in the deal) in order to compensate for some of the greater risk.  So if path a and path b essentially modeled the same all in price at the end, then there is no benefit or reason for path B  - You are taking more risk for no additional return.  However, if path B (at least from your initial projections if all things go smoothly) places you in a reduced overall cost basis that could pay off over the long haul depending on your strategy and risk/reward perspectives.  You just need to be very careful about accessing how likely you think things will go smoothly, what structure / safety points you have included in the structure in case they don't, and how long / deep of a working relationship / trust you have with the group.  I certainly would be more cautious if I hadn't worked with the team for several deals or if I didn't have a lot of insight into their operations, reputations, scopes of works, etc.  

Cheers,
Eric

Post: Good REIA and Meet-ups in Charlotte

Eric Baum
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Hi @Jack Knochel,

Thanks for the response!  We ended up moving to Uptown for now (a little easier of a transition from NYC).   Definitely open to chatting about the market and/or a drink.

I am traveling the next two week but then should be free.  

Cheers,

Eric

Post: Good REIA and Meet-ups in Charlotte

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Hi All.

I am a fairly seasoned real estate investor with a portfolio of investments in different markets.  One of the markets I have been active in and built a small team over the last few years is Charlotte.  My wife and I decided we had enough of the winters in NYC and just moved to Charlotte a few weeks ago to enjoy a new city and so I could more directly focus on growing my operations / portfolio here.  I want to start attending some REIAs and investor meet-ups and wanted to see if there were any recommendations out there.  And of course if anyone has recommendations on fun things to do in Charlotte, please share that as well :)   

Cheers,
Eric

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

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@Cameron Ellis Thanks for  the head's up.  I can't seem to escape those pesky REITs, PEs, and hedge funds following us everywhere :)

The good news is they often focus on the cheaper properties with highest rent ratios so sometimes there are some niches that can survive their onslaught (higher quality neighborhoods / price points with slightly lower caps)

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

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@Martin Yung 

 Great question and something I noticed as well and digging into. What I can see is that there is a lot of momentum now happening in the city from a job gowth, employer base, and recognition of it being seen as an upcoming business center that I think is causing migration of the type of demographics / segments that tend to lift cities with time.  That said, would love to get feedback / thoughts on this from some of the local experts.

@Leo Qu Glad I can help.  I have been in real estate for a long time so I have had the benefit of making almost every typical mistake along the way which has really helped to hone and refine my strategy (and I met great peopel along the way that helped me) and I am happy to try and help others the best I can.

@Matt Leavell Thanks for the respone and offer of assistance. I am always grateful for any knowledge that can be shared.  Would be interested in your sense from a property management perspective where you see vacancy rates today, how long it takes to tenant a property, and which neighborhoods you like and which ones you don't (and potentially) why?  Always great to get a feel for where the consensus is in the market.  What do you see as average purchase price and rent levels in the different types of neighborhoods (A,B,C).  Any information you have the time to share is always appreciated.

@Frank Anastasi No problem.  Send me a PM and I'll make sure to keep you in the loop as I get information or thoughts that I think are valuable.  Will be starting to do some more due diligence the on the market over the next few weeks.

Cheers,

Eric

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

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Hi @Leo Qu ,

Welcome to Bigger Pockets and congratulations on become a real estate investor.

Great question and every investor will probably have a different answer but here is what I look at (both macro and micro factors).  Keep in mind it doesn't mean I only like markets that meet all of these - just in a perfect world these are things I like:

  • I like areas that have more mild winters (as snow and harsh winters do contribute to some wear and tear on roofs and exteriors)
  • I look for areas that have taxes and insurance that have low / very reasonable rates as a % to market value (something you don't see often in the northeast).   You could find areas with strong rent to purchase price ratios, but that can be misleading if you have tax or insurance rates (think Texas or Rochester)
  • I want cities where population trend is increasing (that means over time there should be continued demand for properties / rentals).  Also you want to see above average job growth if possible and relatively good unemployment rates.  Overall, you want to invest in a market moving in the right direction versus stagnation or decline
  • I like the market to have a diversified set of industries / employees - that way if one industry declines in the future or a company goes out of business or moves it doesn't depress the city (think of upstate NY when Kodak when out of business)
  • I like purchase prices to be more reasonable and closer to $100,000 for the median property price.
  • I like a city that has a relative high percentage of the population that rents so I know there is a large and vibrant rental pool.  Like to see 40%+
  • I look at historical and present vacancies rates and time to tenant to get a sense of the strength of the market.  I like to see vacancy rates below 10% and time to tenant no longer than 3-4 weeks
  • I look at crime maps and want to know that the neighborhoods with median income and rental levels are failry safe and near good school districts
  • I look for favorable rent to price ratios - as everything else can be good, but if the market can't cash flow well in the neighborhoods I am comfortable with then it won't work.  I like to be well above the 1% rule and closer to 1.5%+
  • I prefer areas that from the onset do not have increased risk for natural disassters.  For example, Oklahoma has great markets but I just don't like that their is consistent tornado risk or areas that have high consistent flooding risk.  You can protect against random events and it can happen anywhere, but I rather not invest in a market where I know going is there is consistent risk.
  • I don't buy for appreciation (I don't speculate) but I like investing in areas where there is a good possibility of appreciation because areas that appreciate are usually growing, have strong demand, etc so a good indication that long term micro-economics are strong
  • I look for areas that have shown more consistent historical price performance.  Doing the boom years did they go up streaky or slow and steady and when the market crashed did they get crushed or hold  their own a bit relatively.  I rather invest in markets with less extreme swings than more extreme swings
  • All things being equal I prefer the south east versus the mid-west - I  think there are good demographics shifts there over time happening there.
  • How is the state policies towards landlords - I prefer landlord friendly states / markets versus tenant friendly.  What is avg cost of eviction, etc

There are more, but wanted to give you a flavor.  What I meant in comparion to Memphis, is when I was evaluating markets a few years ago, Memphis scored pretty high and at that time thay also had extremely high foreclosure in the pipe which at that point was another metric.  Overall, you could purchase in 2010-2012 in what I would consider A areas (new homes, mostly owner occupied areas, strong schools, etc) which normally would be tough at cap rates (returns) that were closer to C type properties (the more risk you take on a property, the more return you should expect for that risk).  Normally,  you couldn't get great cash flow on A+ properties, but back then you could.  But since then Memphis has appreciated a bunch, hedge fund and tons of investors have flooded the market constraining inventory and now returns are compressed or you have to lower qualiity standards / neighborhoods to maintain return levels (which I don't like).  It seems to me that perhaps B'ham offers a chance to get into solid owner occupant neighborhoods but still at opportunistic cash flow (so kind of where Memphis was a few years ago).  So interested to see if there is the right balance of good quality tenants / homes with solid returns.

Does that make sense?  Feel free to PM with other questions or I can help point you into a few markets to consider.

Cheers,

Eric

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

Eric Baum
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Thanks @Jay Hinrichs !

I highly appreciate it - I put a lot of value / weight to your opinion / recommendations / contacts.  Thank you.

Are you finding neighborhoods that are B quality and better that you are still seeing consistent and strong cash flow?  Want to try and stay up-quality in this market, but as an active investor my hurdles are much higher than passive investors.  Might hope is B'Ham being a bit under the radar still has a good balance of good quality / higher owner occupied areas with suffificent cash flow.  In other markets, to get decent cash flow, the trend has been to go down in quality and I rather avoid that ;)

Have a great weekend,

Eric

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

Eric Baum
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Sorry about that - hit the wrong button.

Thanks for the repsonse and feedback @J Benoit .  I sent you a PM - much appreciated!

Thank you Joseph as well!

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

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Thank for the response and feedback @jon

Post: Birmingham Market for SFH Buy & Hold

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Thanks @Joseph Ball .   I do come across a lot of folks that seem to be positive on Jacksonville and on your suggestion will take a look. 

I do get wary, even when the numbers are strong with a $600 rent. I know every market is different but I like to be closer to the higher part of the rental range as usually there I find that a $600 tenant can be very different than a $1000 tenant (which is why I prefer SFH to duplexes - while the duplex may offer higher combined rent, the quality of each tenant can be much lower than the SFH tenant, and of course the more turnover / transient nature). My priority is usually on removing variance / variability from the return, so often I see the best gross return doesn't often return the highest net yield which is what i watch. As a result, I usually find the sweet spot is almost any market is above $800-$900 rent for a SFH and in many markets much higher than that. What areas and type of tennat quality are you seeing there at that level of rent and purchase price?

Much appreciated!